BNDs ruin your coin potential

Babynose said:

I think whales can have a huge impact on the market. there are so many cards this year with limited supply of 5 or less at any time. Lots of those cards are not actually good cards statistic wise over any other card relative to overall, so why do they hold that value? I think they can keep high value cards high for longer, which for the minnows out there that have to save for a month to afford a 2 million coin card, that can be devastating for the users experience. You see that on these forums every day, people complaining about cost of LTDs and such or how they can't enjoy their theme teams because the best players are too expensive.

If you compare MUT 26 with previous MUT's, the biggest driver for inflation probably isn't relisting items on the Auction House, but rather the persistent adjustment to Event rewards doling out massive Coins (or Coins-equivalent) following "Flawless Runs". Increased Daily Rewards and Weekly Rewards (41,000 Coins for completing 21 Daily Objectives, not counting value from Daily Coin Pack and Random Strategy Item) probably make for a third significant contributor to inflation.

I get that people want to play MUT without having to invest time in the Auction House. At the same time, the inflation itself makes coin-making strategies easier, as the market swings are much greater than in past MUT's. A little discipline should help you reach a Coins balance that will facilitate building a lineup that can rotate high value players from lineup to market and back. Once you're there, just a few minutes per MUT session will likely help you keep up with the ongoing power creep.

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need a lot more salt for all these claims….

phatalerror said:

If you compare MUT 26 with previous MUT's, the biggest driver for inflation probably isn't relisting items on the Auction House, but rather the persistent adjustment to Event rewards doling out massive Coins (or Coins-equivalent) following "Flawless Runs". Increased Daily Rewards and Weekly Rewards (41,000 Coins for completing 21 Daily Objectives, not counting value from Daily Coin Pack and Random Strategy Item) probably make for a third significant contributor to inflation.

I get that people want to play MUT without having to invest time in the Auction House. At the same time, the inflation itself makes coin-making strategies easier, as the market swings are much greater than in past MUT's. A little discipline should help you reach a Coins balance that will facilitate building a lineup that can rotate high value players from lineup to market and back. Once you're there, just a few minutes per MUT session will likely help you keep up with the ongoing power creep.

that was some great insight, truly. my only thought leaving is, is this reasonable expectations for children or young adults to be able to understand and enjoy the game as well? This game should not be tailored to economic majors, it's a sports game after all, and I've been around long enough to see many aspects of the football game I enjoy taken away for the improvement of this new coin generator based game.

Babynose said:

that was some great insight, truly. my only thought leaving is, is this reasonable expectations for children or young adults to be able to understand and enjoy the game as well? This game should not be tailored to economic majors, it's a sports game after all, and I've been around long enough to see many aspects of the football game I enjoy taken away for the improvement of this new coin generator based game.

The Auction House does introduce a significant twist into the team building aspect of the game, and casual players will not wish to engage to the degree needed to be competitive with those who are: 1) Fluent in the MUT economy, 2) Spending significant cash on the game, or, 3) Employing exploits in the head-to-head experience. I would venture to guess that the 80/20 rule applies to MUT: 20% of the users log 80% of the total hours logged on MUT's servers.

I, like so many, do wish that EA would improve the football aspects of Madden. If Madden were more like football, I think more users would be able to stomach a little more Auction House grinding.

MUT's not for everyone, whether you enjoy the experience playing head-to-head or solo. But it is frustrating to be driven from a mode because of subtle changes over time. I'm hanging on by a thread by reason of the toxicity that exists due to the present "Flawless Win" model being applied to head-to-head Events.

Robbie11 said:

I have gone from 0 coins to about 6 million in the last three weeks. I waste just a little of my coin potential on Season 4 BNDs before I knew better. Going all Auctionable, I have hit 86 platinums in a 79+ fantasy packs bought with season tickets. I have used my spotlight tokens to get numerous 100,000 coin player items. Regularly, I buy and sell a theme team to make about 20,000 coins per player item. I have tried to win a PlayStation tournament for points without any luck. I play cpu events and seasons for XP.

This is another one of those copy/paste jobs from College Football -- they began beta testing those BND pack offers, i think during CFB25 cycle, and they're everywhere now.  Both across MUT and CFB26, which is truly unfortunate.  Especially when paying actual Madden Points, it's ridiculous to receive any BND or account locked cards.  This shit is going to continue to get worse before it gets any better.  Bleh.

I made a killing in prior years off those PSN Tournaments, basically paid for my entire next game cycle, at full retail price.  Sadly, they changed the payouts, it's not exclusively Madden Points, where in past years we could earn PSN credits, that could be used on anything, any new games, or content of our choosing.  Ahh well.

phatalerror said:

I question how much effect one user can have on a market in which so many hundreds of thousands of users are also involved. The ebbs and flows of the market aren't the doing of one guy, but rather the natural course of a system that feeds on greed and fear; he's not that influential.

If you look past what you perceive as the "Look What I Did" tone of his posts, there's a ton of useful stuff. He'll give you principles that keep you moving in the right direction and help you figure out things for yourself. It's the users that follow the advice of players that declare: "Build this set," or: "Invest in this card," that pump up supply ensuring tanking. And how do you know but that those guys are the ones feeding off the troughs?

All I know is I message and posted on his comments several times and got crickets. Nothing. And then I make a post about the epic stamina card and he responds saying how much better the legendary stamina card is... And then writes an hour later bragging that he made 2.9 mil on the one that was posted in AH for 5 mil. LMAO you guys go ahead and keep feeding.

You just need to be strategic with bnds...I like to bnd o line that way I can spend my coins on the more meaningful positions.

Woodysky said:

Maybe some but he's no saint lol. It's all self serving. He wants the market to crash so he pumps us up to spend hundreds of dollars to flood the market and buy them all at tanked prices. Then comes on here saying buy them all after he's bought his share to spike the prices again. Classic. Nothing wrong with it but what I did say is still accurate. Humble bragging and self serving comments. Nothing actually useful in the game.

man, if you think a post on mut.gg affects the market you don't understand the market.  i don't hide information or gatekeep it bc sharing it doesn't impact anything.  the way the filter system works and the way it randomly shows you cards that are posted in 1 minute or 5 minutes makes the market very stable and open for anyone to play.

Babynose said:

I think whales can have a huge impact on the market. there are so many cards this year with limited supply of 5 or less at any time. Lots of those cards are not actually good cards statistic wise over any other card relative to overall, so why do they hold that value? I think they can keep high value cards high for longer, which for the minnows out there that have to save for a month to afford a 2 million coin card, that can be devastating for the users experience. You see that on these forums every day, people complaining about cost of LTDs and such or how they can't enjoy their theme teams because the best players are too expensive.

no one is hoarding these, they are just low volume sellers so they don't get posted or built often.

phatalerror said:

The Auction House does introduce a significant twist into the team building aspect of the game, and casual players will not wish to engage to the degree needed to be competitive with those who are: 1) Fluent in the MUT economy, 2) Spending significant cash on the game, or, 3) Employing exploits in the head-to-head experience. I would venture to guess that the 80/20 rule applies to MUT: 20% of the users log 80% of the total hours logged on MUT's servers.

I, like so many, do wish that EA would improve the football aspects of Madden. If Madden were more like football, I think more users would be able to stomach a little more Auction House grinding.

MUT's not for everyone, whether you enjoy the experience playing head-to-head or solo. But it is frustrating to be driven from a mode because of subtle changes over time. I'm hanging on by a thread by reason of the toxicity that exists due to the present "Flawless Win" model being applied to head-to-head Events.

your 80/20 suggestion si more like 95/5

twitchtaxpro said:

man, if you think a post on mut.gg affects the market you don't understand the market.  i don't hide information or gatekeep it bc sharing it doesn't impact anything.  the way the filter system works and the way it randomly shows you cards that are posted in 1 minute or 5 minutes makes the market very stable and open for anyone to play.

I understand that majority of serious player use a site like this. And serious players are generally in to market play. So a lot of players that like to invest see these posts. So yes, trusted people actually can influence to some degree. The delay time of a card being posted has nothing to do with what I was talking about. And to be fair all I said was you only post to brag about your market skills and advance your current project. There is nothing wrong with trading. I love trading. It's one of the only reasons I play. But I would never entice people spend their hard earned money just I can make a profit.

there is an insignificant effect on the market related to anything i post.  heck, half the time i post the best method imaginable and people come on and dump all over it and convince people not to do it.  quite hilarious.  candy and snow conversions were massive coin generators that so many people just missed out on bc they were afraid of being wrong about something more obvious than the earth being round

twitchtaxpro said:

your 80/20 suggestion si more like 95/5

I was definitely stubborn enough to survive the initial culling. But it's gotten worse over time. You might be right, and that's really unfortunate, because if true, it shows how bad the state of the game is.

twitchtaxpro said:

no one is hoarding these, they are just low volume sellers so they don't get posted or built often.

i'm not saying people are hoarding them. I'm saying they are buying them when they dip a little and re-set the price high again keeping it higher for longer.