Mid blitz/ hb direct/ speed boosting/ RPOs

modded1 said:

I am completely in agreement. Run game should be more effective vs Dime. Zones need to react better and take better angles. I still feel like the chess match is there, but you have to know the adjustment to stop whatever rpo/hb direct/etc play and then be able to actually get the adjustment off if it's complex. I am 44 and have been playing Madden for 30 years. I just cant do the adjustments as quick as I needed to be competitve.

Love seeing some other gaming-grandpas out there... i'm quickly closing in on fifty and still manage to get the muscle memory down for my defensive adjustments, but i barely play competitive offensive snaps these days, as my primary role and function is DC in our little squads trio.  I love defense, even this year when it's ridiculously difficult and we will inevitably give up points, but my goodness, the mere fact that Cover 4 Drop out of Dime 3-2 / Dollar is such an elite run defense is downright absurd.

Of all the broken features of this objectively not-good game, the offensive line play and horrendous blocking logic is potentially the worst aspect in a long line of complaints.  I can hover the DT and shoot the gap for a lot of run defense.  I took a decades long break, but somehow managed to find my way back and was lured to MUT, because that's what/where all the best players and competition congregate -- and well, i'm a great big sucker.

peatrick said:

Love seeing some other gaming-grandpas out there... i'm quickly closing in on fifty and still manage to get the muscle memory down for my defensive adjustments, but i barely play competitive offensive snaps these days, as my primary role and function is DC in our little squads trio.  I love defense, even this year when it's ridiculously difficult and we will inevitably give up points, but my goodness, the mere fact that Cover 4 Drop out of Dime 3-2 / Dollar is such an elite run defense is downright absurd.

Of all the broken features of this objectively not-good game, the offensive line play and horrendous blocking logic is potentially the worst aspect in a long line of complaints.  I can hover the DT and shoot the gap for a lot of run defense.  I took a decades long break, but somehow managed to find my way back and was lured to MUT, because that's what/where all the best players and competition congregate -- and well, i'm a great big sucker.

In regards to the lack of defense in the game, specifically as it relates to the lack of pass rush, I've had an interesting time experimenting with usering a DT and watching how the game physics will literally pull him in the opposite direction of where I'm telling him to go so that he is sucked like a magnet to go wrestle with a guard or center instead of making any effort to get through a gap to get to the QB or running back. The game literally will  not allow defensive pressure outside of dumb glitches like DT hover.

It's coded backwards. Instead of having defensive lineman put pressure on the offense and make the OL respond, they are assigned to wrestle with OL.

zerordl said:

In regards to the lack of defense in the game, specifically as it relates to the lack of pass rush, I've had an interesting time experimenting with usering a DT and watching how the game physics will literally pull him in the opposite direction of where I'm telling him to go so that he is sucked like a magnet to go wrestle with a guard or center instead of making any effort to get through a gap to get to the QB or running back. The game literally will  not allow defensive pressure outside of dumb glitches like DT hover.

It's coded backwards. Instead of having defensive lineman put pressure on the offense and make the OL respond, they are assigned to wrestle with OL.

Facts. What you just described is how or why I'm laughing balls anytime EA tries to insist the game has any type of "physics" engine. Sure, Frostbite may be great for destroying buildings or things that might be useful in FPS type games, but not so much when it comes to fast paced sports titles. Sadly, everything is predetermined and animation based. 

They absolutely gutted pass rush this year. Even last year at this time, during M25, if we had a third and long and NEEDED our pass rush to get home, I could always rely on @ElijahSiegel96 to USER an edge and get pressure in 2.0 seconds flat, while we dropped into pass coverage. For the bulk of passing downs, all three of us typically drop into coverage, for reasons you explained above.  /sigh

phatalerror said:

Not sure how anyone can argue against HB Direct, Mid Blitz, or RPO’s being foundational to exploiting the AI. The defense quite obviously cannot adequately cover these plays without putting the right abilities on the field and making several pre-snap adjustments peculiar to each play being countered. It takes so much less skill and absolutely no football IQ to execute the named plays. Countering them requires a tremendous amount of knowledge about how Madden’s “physics” and AI work.

Where did people come up with this idea of cheesy as a way to get around saying “cheating”, which is to gain an unfair advantage? Clearly that is what happens with these plays. That is why they’re constantly seen among the game’s top players.

He prefers to use them thats why lol

CodyWolfgang said:

Hopefully it is not back, but with that being said the run game should be more explosive without the speed boosting. Pass coverage should be amped up big time and non speed boosting runs should be way more effective. 

I remember playing football games where it was a chess match loading up to stop the run by taking guys out of coverage, but the coverage was solid if it was there. That is what the game should play like.

Sounds like you’re describing real football. Hat counts, Cover schemes, etc.

Yeah, this is all we’re asking for.

braggsbraggs said:

He prefers to use them thats why lol

That’s fairly obvious. What’s crazy is that people come here and deride users here for calling out Cheating, and they come up with some of the most childish retorts, while never actually addressing the specific complaints.

Of all these, the most egregious is, “The game let’s me do it.” Well, I can do all sorts of things if I really wanted to, but I’m not the antisocial, psychopathic type, so I don’t wield otherwise useful objects to cause harm to innocent people. Why is it OK to do that with a video game controller?

There is no honor.

jimshredder said:

The speed boost/burst is a huge glitch - and probably the worst thing Ive seen in Mut over the past 5 years

EA has to know about this but refuses to correct it - it could be patched in minutes

Thats a huge shame for this company

Exactly

modded1 said:

I don't believe this is true that they could fix it. The speed boost is caused by the engine the game is on and how the players move. The boost only happens when cards hit certain thresholds that break the engine where it cant keep up with the tracking. I dont think they will be changing the engine the game is built on and this will almost certainly be in the game next year.

Bro it’s been the same engine since ps3 😂 they tried to make it “more realistic how guys change direction” this year and failed miserably. They tried to make it so a guy like Gibbs was a noticeable difference compared to Willam Perry making the same move. EA is just lazy and money hungry, they saw bad players liked it and it’s a crutch for them. 

So those players would keep spending money on new players that hit that threshold to be able to append boost. But it should be taken out next year and replaced with another OP skill move next year. 

By far speed boost is the worse in years only other thing close was the jurdle few maddens back

n1eee said:

none of them are exploits except speed boosting… cheesy yes exploit no

I’d say the RPO read is slightly an exploit that EA leaves in the game for bad players. They need to fix the read key issue, if I call a hard flat or man the bubble or flat it should be stopped 100% of the time. 

I’ve had it where I usered the LB to stop the RPO and even though I was holding to run out and cover it the game made him auto crash down. That’s an issue my user should never get overridden but it does so id say it’s kind of a form of an exploit, that takes non football moves or ideas to counter because of how the AI works and players known this and exploit it. They blindly throw that bubble or flat and works far better then it should

Hdog2412 said:

I’d say the RPO read is slightly an exploit that EA leaves in the game for bad players. They need to fix the read key issue, if I call a hard flat or man the bubble or flat it should be stopped 100% of the time. 

I’ve had it where I usered the LB to stop the RPO and even though I was holding to run out and cover it the game made him auto crash down. That’s an issue my user should never get overridden but it does so id say it’s kind of a form of an exploit, that takes non football moves or ideas to counter because of how the AI works and players known this and exploit it. They blindly throw that bubble or flat and works far better then it should

The fact that there's no "read" when executing a play that requires a read says everything.

phatalerror said:

Not sure how anyone can argue against HB Direct, Mid Blitz, or RPO’s being foundational to exploiting the AI. The defense quite obviously cannot adequately cover these plays without putting the right abilities on the field and making several pre-snap adjustments peculiar to each play being countered. It takes so much less skill and absolutely no football IQ to execute the named plays. Countering them requires a tremendous amount of knowledge about how Madden’s “physics” and AI work.

Where did people come up with this idea of cheesy as a way to get around saying “cheating”, which is to gain an unfair advantage? Clearly that is what happens with these plays. That is why they’re constantly seen among the game’s top players.

All of those plays can be stopped with the right adjustments. Let me know if you need help. Or you can just continue to be stubborn and call people cheaters. You choose.

droblunts313 said:

All of those plays can be stopped with the right adjustments. Let me know if you need help. Or you can just continue to be stubborn and call people cheaters. You choose.

I don't need the counters. I need opponents who want to play football.

Leave me alone, yo.

phatalerror said:

I don't need the counters. I need opponents who want to play football.

Leave me alone, yo.

You need to start a cfm if that’s what you’re looking for. This is Mut. It will always be like this. Get use to it or play something else

CodyWolfgang said:

Honest question, why is mid blitz a glitch? Isn't it just rushing more guys than there are blockers?

I don’t use mid blitz because I think it sucks. Never works when people use it against me and everytime I’ve ever called it it just gets roasted with guys running free everywhere with the man coverage 8 yards behind them.

I do like to come out in double mug to have the threat of the mid blitz and call different combinations of zone coverage or even cover 1 out of it. I never use mid blitz naked because it doesn’t work in my opinion.

If it is a glitch I’ll stop using the formation. I honestly thought it was pretty straight up and easy to beat. 

To me the loops from last year are a glitch. Having the mlb come unblocked while only rushing three total since they would drop the defensive tackle in coverage, that was a joke.

I mean with that one you just had to get your blocking set up. You’re controlling whether your linemen change what they’re doing