Really, really, REALLY sketchy matchmaking once you get 7 wins in Breakouts H2H

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I know some people on here claim there is no ELO in matchmaking

But I had some very weird experiences yesterday in Breakouts H2H

I have cross play turned on, so normally I find matches very quickly - within 5 seconds

This was the case for my first 7 breakout games

However, once I got to 7 wins, it took over a minute for a matchup...then I was matched up with very high OVRs running Mind Reader and Omaha

Isnt that somewhat weird?

Or once you hit a "threshold of wins" - do they also try to match you up with people also in that win threshold?

If EA is matching up people based on the time when they look to start games...and I assume thousdands of people are still playing hte H2H breakout mode across all consoles

So why would it take over a minute to finnd an opponent?

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its based off win total

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jimshredder said:

I know some people on here claim there is no ELO in matchmaking

But I had some very weird experiences yesterday in Breakouts H2H

I have cross play turned on, so normally I find matches very quickly - within 5 seconds

This was the case for my first 7 breakout games

However, once I got to 7 wins, it took over a minute for a matchup...then I was matched up with very high OVRs running Mind Reader and Omaha

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Isnt that somewhat weird?

Or once you hit a "threshold of wins" - do they also try to match you up with people also in that win threshold?

If EA is matching up people based on the time when they look to start games...and I assume thousdands of people are still playing hte H2H breakout mode across all consoles

So why would it take over a minute to finnd an opponent?

My understanding is that it's potentially matching up players based on win totals -- so yes, that's almost exactly where i keep getting stuck. On my 8th win recently (over the weekend, i believe) my dude rage-quit down 14-0 and i was exceptionally pleased, as that was the furthest i'd advanced during this multi-week promo, despite many, many attempts... BOOM, immediate disconnect/loss after the game wrapped. Buggy ass shit. I'm sure i would have choked on either 9 or 10, so ultimately doesn't change much if anything, but that shit really pisses the customers off.

I've come to expect random disconnect/Desync losses and glitches, especially during Squads play, but these silly 1 one one 1 House Rules Events are already frustrating enough, without having to contend with EA jank, on top of the specific game mode sketch, as you so accurately pointed out.

My later game rounds also took a bit of time, perhaps 1-2 full minutes to find and connect with an opponent.

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They gotta summons the demons it takes a min!

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nchen3 said:

its based off win total

Thanks for confirming, I thought so

Some people on here claim there is no ELO, but instances like this negate that claim

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dadawg1005 said:

They gotta summons the demons it takes a min!

LoL

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jimshredder said:

Thanks for confirming, I thought so

Some people on here claim there is no ELO, but instances like this negate that claim

how does this negate that claim lmfao, win total is not ELO

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peatrick said:

My understanding is that it's potentially matching up players based on win totals -- so yes, that's almost exactly where i keep getting stuck. On my 8th win recently (over the weekend, i believe) my dude rage-quit down 14-0 and i was exceptionally pleased, as that was the furthest i'd advanced during this multi-week promo, despite many, many attempts... BOOM, immediate disconnect/loss after the game wrapped. Buggy ass shit. I'm sure i would have choked on either 9 or 10, so ultimately doesn't change much if anything, but that shit really pisses the customers off.

I've come to expect random disconnect/Desync losses and glitches, especially during Squads play, but these silly 1 one one 1 House Rules Events are already frustrating enough, without having to contend with EA jank, on top of the specific game mode sketch, as you so accurately pointed out.

My later game rounds also took a bit of time, perhaps 1-2 full minutes to find and connect with an opponent.

Gotta love classic EA disconnects. I’m convinced someone with perfect internet could play another person 2 minutes away who also has perfect internet and EA would find a way to constantly desync both of them.

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STRIKESHOT1 said:

how does this negate that claim lmfao, win total is not ELO

If they are matching people based on a certain criteria (such as win total) wouldnt that classify as ELO?

Compared to NON ELO which would be simply matching people up on the timing they look to start game...and not factoring in win total or any other factors other than timing

Make sense?

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STRIKESHOT1 said:

how does this negate that claim lmfao, win total is not ELO

ELO is entirely win-based. It was designed to evaluate the value of a win or loss within the context of competitors of differing skill. The most objective way to define skill is by said results of the skill: Wins or losses.

ELO algorithms can be defined as the programmer wishes: You can take lifetime record, or record within any context. Matching a guy with eight wins against users with somewhere between six and nine wins would definitely be ELO.

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jimshredder said:

If they are matching people based on a certain criteria (such as win total) wouldnt that classify as ELO?

Compared to NON ELO which would be simply matching people up on the timing they look to start game...and not factoring in win total or any other factors other than timing

Make sense?

I understand what you are trying to say but that is not what ELO is

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STRIKESHOT1 said:

I understand what you are trying to say but that is not what ELO is

Thank you for clarifying, i believe it was originally a competitive chess ranking system, correct? Thanks for helping to educate us, myself (and the community), although i can only truly speak for myself -- i'm also comfortable making a few assumptions... we could all use a bit of schooling from time to time, help keep our minds limber. @phatalerror @jimshredder

The Elo rating system measures the relative strength of a player in some games, such as chess, compared to other players. Its creator, Arpad Elo, was a physics professor in the United States and a chess master who worked to improve the way the U.S. Chess Federation measured their players' skill levels. He was a solid chess player himself, as you can see from this game he played against a young Bobby Fischer.

Key points of ELO in video games

Numerical rating: Every player has a score that goes up when they win and down when they lose.
Relative skill measurement: The amount of points gained or lost depends on the opponent’s rating.
- Beating a higher-rated player grants more points.
- Losing to a lower-rated player costs more points.
Matchmaking: Games use ELO (or similar derivatives like MMR—Matchmaking Rating) to create fair matches by pairing players with comparable ratings.
Dynamic: Ratings adjust continuously, so your rank reflects recent performance.

Many games don’t use “pure” ELO but an evolved system (e.g., Glicko, TrueSkill). Players often use ELO as shorthand for any hidden or visible rating used to determine skill and matchmaking.

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EpicDude28 said:

Gotta love classic EA disconnects. I’m convinced someone with perfect internet could play another person 2 minutes away who also has perfect internet and EA would find a way to constantly desync both of them.

I spend a significant amount of time online, we have decently reliable (and moderately fast) fiber to the home internet service, my console is hard-wired in using ethernet cable, i'm doing everything i can think of to hedge my bets, but M26 has been the worst. Disconnects galore, when playing in a 3-man Squads trio, at least one of us gets disconnected after every single game. Once in a while two of us can remain in the lobby, but hoping to play back to back games without fucking around for 5 minutes inviting, crashing, inviting again, launching... waiting for an opponent. Rinse, repEEAT.

Almost as frustrating as the painfully slow MUT Menus. Although performance has felt slightly improved -- i disabled the Auto VRR stuff for "older games" on my PS5 Pro after someone else recommended it and maybe it's providing less degraded performance. Maybe.

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STRIKESHOT1 said:

I understand what you are trying to say but that is not what ELO is

I dont why the game just cant match up people randomly on when they look for a game

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STRIKESHOT1 said:

I understand what you are trying to say but that is not what ELO is

To-may-to, to-mah-to.

ELO has two primary functions: Scoring and matchmaking. Scoring is obviously how the value of the result is weighted. You beat a casual with a low OVR team? Have a cookie and a couple points on your ELO score. You beat an MCS guy with a 40-2 record? You'll get many more points.

You may need to qualify to play quality opponents, and you do that by beating opponents of only slightly lesser quality. In true division play, the past record of users would have to play into this. The significant delays people are experiencing after many wins in the current Event are the most obvious sign that ELO is at work. That is the case regardless of what the opponent chosen may be doing in Ranked or any other Head-to-Head mode. In the context of the Event, the player has a higher ELO because they've won more, and so winning players are sought. EA doesn't want users waiting 10 minutes for matchups against other users with the exact same number of wins, so there's probably a sliding schedule where when it takes longer, the requirements are less stringent.

If this were a patent dispute, the defendant would lose. ELO doesn't become not-ELO because the game isn't chess, or because a certain sample is excluded from the calculation. The ELO factoring is simply modified to accomplish its intended purpose. In the context of Madden, this has the unfortunate effect of tending to pit winning players against dirty players, because dirty players tend to win more often due to their competent use of exploits.

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