<p>If you read further I tested this over the weekend with my DE having only DoN and the results are the same. I’m no longer speculating. I wrote about the testing in a reply on this thread, feel free to read about it.</p>xm3tHxm1k3x said:Since your von Miller had edge threat elite those 2 tackles edge protector not only canceled that out but just made your other ones basically non existent. Now if you had the same results with out the literally ability they are cancelling out then you'd have something to look at their. Otherwise we are just speculating with community again since your one control in the experiment was nullified by having ETE equipped.
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<p>Emmitt redux sells regularly for 2 mil on PS5. Jamaal is at 900k and had been selling regularly under 800k all weekend.</p> <p>Is Jamaal more on another console?</p>pintusewitzj said:I mean Jamal is more expensive then the redux emmitt
Re: Did they nerf Vanguard this year
<p>He gets a decent amount of pancakes for me but the pancake animations aren’t as quick and dominant. It’s a slower, more realistic pancake instead of last year’s clothes line and on to the next guy.</p>jimshredder said:I have it on Kyle Long and it doesnt seem to be an OP as it was last year
Doesnt guarantee a pancake, just strong run blocking
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<p>Tons of great info here! This validated a lot of my suspicions that I haven’t even brought up on these forums. Thanks for sharing!</p>salicagg said:Ask this dude here on Reddit. He’s the master on offensive lines.
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<p>Yes Secure Protector or Run Protector will work against Inside Stuff.</p>TBone75 said:What is the counter for inside stuff? Cause I was under the impression it was secure protector. If it isn't please let me know thank you.
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<p>Since I have completed all of the current passes I decided to spend some time testing Edge Protector this morning.</p> <p>In pass protection it seems to work VERY similar to Pass Protector and Secure Protector.</p> <p>The theory that Edge Protector only works a…</p>peatrick said:I believe I finally figured out the reason Edge Protector stinks. Unfortunately it only seems to counter the Edge Protector ability.
Doesn't appear to light up against much of anything else, not Double or Nothing, not Unstoppable Force, nor Colossus. Please feel free to correct me if you think I've gotten something wrong, but that is my most recent understanding.
It can be difficult to find reliable information. Please keep us posted on how your testing has progressed. Ideally the end-game O-Line stack is Secure Protector + All Day, where Secure Pro is the combination of Run Protector + Pass Protector. If I can only choose one it's Pass Pro + All Day. Apologies if I'm repeating myself in this thread. Been a couple days, I'm not as young as I once was. My memory is kind of shot.
Re: Karlaftis or Von Miller LTD?
<p>Thanks for the input, I appreciate you breaking down your experience with them. Sieler being slower and that low ACC wouldn’t be worth saving 1AP to me. All the QB’s in H2H modes are already fast enough to outrun George at times.</p>heheheheexd said:i've used karlaftis, von and sack sieler for quite some time. i think karlaftis is the best due to his build and stats, something about him, i have him 91 speed, 99 acc, 98 block shed with no TT. downside is he needs 5ap to use. if you only rush 3 ppl, i can see von being better, but majority of defenses are sending 4 minimum even if you are looping or whatever.
i dont like sack sieler, i used my tokens on him bnd and he just doesn't do it for me. without TT he's really slow, low accel also is problematic.
the fact karlaftis is like 150k is icing on the cake
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<p>After using Allen again today he definitely feels really good. It’s been a while so I think I was convinced these newer RB’s were better but I’m not too sure now.</p> <p>I still need to try Jamaal Charles to compare. Portis looks good too so maybe I will …</p>dphins said:There is something about Allen’s COD that just feels good. At least for me. He’s was my RB1 till recently. Running Portis now. Which I like a lot as well. Fluid.
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<p>Thanks for the in depth explanation, that makes more sense now. I wasn’t trying to single out Peatrick either, I meant dudes (plural) in general, but I can see now that it kind of reads differently that I intended.</p> <p>Anyways, I appreciate your time a…</p>Eagles215 said:I trust peatrick. Probably just scheme.
He claims domination from his right side,where in my scheme the left side de dominates. He rushes 3 while i rush 4-5 depending on my defensive read. It sounds crazy but having the exact correct placement of players at certain positions makes a big difference. IE. I run barno-karlaftis-poe-ware in one setup...if i rearrange ware to the opposite side and swap the dts positions ill get completely different results. So yeah kinda comes down to scheme and placement of players.
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<p>Yeah I guess in the end I have an extra mil back in the bank now.</p> <p>I do find it interesting how different the results can be. I know 6 games isn’t a large sample size but the difference was so glaring that I really didn’t want to play anymore games …</p>peatrick said:Weird that people can have such vastly different experiences with the same card. So much random, inconsistent nonsense with this bad game. I had this stack; Colossus, Speedster, Unpredictable and Inside Stuff, for a total of 4AP.
Colossus is objectively superior to Unstoppable Force, i don't think that's up for debate. 0AP Inside Stuff is better than 1AP Inside Stuff... kinda see where i'm going with this? My Von Miller has been explosive, he's into the backfield on both run and pass plays, soaking up (and often splitting right through) double teams. His stats are nowhere near as impactful as Barno, but still enough of an upgrade over Poe (at a fraction of the cost) for me to make the switch. Glad George is working out so well for you guys, although i'm not sure 6 games is large enough sample size to feel confident about anything... but if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Take the money and run, you'll never regret having coins.
In any type of Solo Challenges, Von doesn't have a chance to pad his stats, because Barno is there on 3 out of three downs to sack the QB before they can even get a play off. He's so nasty, especially coming off the right edge (left of screen) which seems to be the dominant side for pass rush this year.
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<p>So the dudes claiming Von is better:</p> <p>Is it delusion?</p> <p>Do they just trust the ability descriptions that much?</p> <p>Is he really better in their scheme?</p> <p>It’s seriously hard for me to understand when the winner is so clearly evident.</p>Eagles215 said:I got same results.
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<p>Well my Von Miller is officially for sale. I had some time to run through like 6 more champs games and then did about 10 challenges to finish off some objectives.</p> <p>There was no comparison, first champs game my opponent had no abilities on his o-line…</p>peatrick said:I guess that's not THAT unreasonable, seeing as I have 9AP invested between Von and Jenkins. Keeping Urlacher would be a far cheaper way to get both SUBLBs with Avalanche + Enforcer Supreme combo, but I'm spoiled and want 99 SPD users to choose from. Urlacher is fantastic, but he kind of lumbers around the field and I'm not always as decisive as I need to be with my cuts, I'm starting and stopping and changing directions constantly as I chase people around, especially in Squads play where things get crazy.
There is a Vita Vea coming Monday, I think, so either sell late tonight or plan to hold through midweek. Unless you need the coins, I've made my preference clear. YMMV, but in my head it's as simple as Colossus > UF.
Is it 1M coins better? That, I'm not so sure. But it's objectively superior.
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<p>Thanks for the info, something for me to consider.</p>Eagles215 said:He plays just like karlaftis...just lower speed but cheaper ap. Im running 45/20
Eagles/chiefs and have the extra ap to spare on george.
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<p>I never tried sack but have always wondered how he compared since he would save 1AP.</p> <p>How has he been for you?</p>RushFORE said:I've been using Sack Sieler for the 3AP UF since he came out. Do we still think Karlaftis is better at DT?
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<p>I feel that about Urlacher 100%. I got Urlacher boosted up to 98 SPD 99 ACC and he still ends up being tough to user because he gets hung up trying to change direction. He’s great if left alone and I love causing fumbles with him butI just replaced …</p>peatrick said:I guess that's not THAT unreasonable, seeing as I have 9AP invested between Von and Jenkins. Keeping Urlacher would be a far cheaper way to get both SUBLBs with Avalanche + Enforcer Supreme combo, but I'm spoiled and want 99 SPD users to choose from. Urlacher is fantastic, but he kind of lumbers around the field and I'm not always as decisive as I need to be with my cuts, I'm starting and stopping and changing directions constantly as I chase people around, especially in Squads play where things get crazy.
There is a Vita Vea coming Monday, I think, so either sell late tonight or plan to hold through midweek. Unless you need the coins, I've made my preference clear. YMMV, but in my head it's as simple as Colossus > UF.
Is it 1M coins better? That, I'm not so sure. But it's objectively superior.