The Solution for the Wins-[X]-in-a-Row Dilemma

I get that EA adopted this model to drive engagement, but they run a very real risk of driving away users, fundamental to engagement.

The best way to deal with this issue is to have a rewards model that doesn't deprive Fair Play users of opportunity to earn items that would better their team, but gives Win-at-All-Costs users the feather in their cap that their soul craves. The answer is with a tiered system that rewards users with Coins, Items, Tokens, and Skins.

Each event has a series of Total Wins objectives in the Field Pass. While there's room for variation and the inclusion of other mechanisms, fundamentally you could have:

Tiers:

• Tier One: You incrementally earn coins and Event Victory Tokens. That is all.
• Tier Two: More coins per win, and Event Victory Two-Token packs.
• Tier Three: Get your coins here, and Event Victory Four-Token packs get you to your goal quickly.

Objectives:

• Total Event Wins Objective, First Benchmark: Second-Tier Entry Token unlocks Tier Two
• Total Event Wins Objective, Second Benchmark: Quicksell-for-Training BND Head-to-Head Event Item (Tier One Event locks)
• Second-Tier Total Event Wins Objective, First Benchmark: Third-Tier Entry Token unlocks Tier Three
• Second-Tier Total Event Wins Objective, Second Benchmark: Event Program Skin (uniforms, stadiums, etc.; Tier Two Event locks)

There could be more tiers and more objectives, with the opportunity to convert Event Victory Tokens into items through sets. In theory, users that don't wish to swim in deeper waters can hang out in Tier One, and eventually earn a key reward, but won't be able to proceed further without playing in a higher tier. "Proficient" gamers progressively get locked out of lower tiers and bring their "skills", such as they are, to a higher tier where they can compete with other "proficient" gamers. Late-stage objectives could provide opportunities to earn Tier Upgrade Tokens to accelerate the run for future programs, along with badges or uniforms identifying them as an advanced player in a previous event. By stratifying players according to event wins, lesser-skilled users have an opportunity to earn wins in a diluted field as the week progresses. At the end of each week, the wins reset, and everyone starts out back at Tier One.

Just do X amount of wins total. I’m more accepting and willing to play that in order to get ie 30-50 wins, especially if they’re short games. 

I haven’t played a single event that is X amount of wins before X amount of losses in a X amount of games total.

I think this is over complicated.  Everyone should be able to earn the same reward just in different ways. 

If you can go 8-0 you get the reward 

If you can win 30 games you get the reward 

If you can play 60 games you get the reward 

This way no matter your skill level, you can earn the reward.  Better skill just means you get the reward way faster than someone with less skill but no matter what you have a path to earning it via game time. 

Doesn't have to be those exact numbers but you get the idea.

Moderator Sevein131 said:

I think this is over complicated.  Everyone should be able to earn the same reward just in different ways. 

If you can go 8-0 you get the reward 

If you can win 30 games you get the reward 

If you can play 60 games you get the reward 

This way no matter your skill level, you can earn the reward.  Better skill just means you get the reward way faster than someone with less skill but no matter what you have a path to earning it via game time. 

Doesn't have to be those exact numbers but you get the idea.

But there has to be a way to get people that would otherwise camp in the mode out of it. Playing X Full Games and getting bloodied in half of them is miserable.

phatalerror said:

But there has to be a way to get people that would otherwise camp in the mode out of it. Playing X Full Games and getting bloodied in half of them is miserable.

Events shouldn't be full games as part of this.  Half games with 2 min quarters or college ot is all events ever should be

just make it X number of wins OR X consecutive wins…if you play better you get the pack quicker

phatalerror said:

But there has to be a way to get people that would otherwise camp in the mode out of it. Playing X Full Games and getting bloodied in half of them is miserable.

I mean eventually if you’re gonna play the game in a game mode with good rewards you’re going to play somebody good and get bodied

Not every reward is meant for every player.  That seems to be something people have forgotten.  People who can win deserve rewards, people who cant win dont.  It's simple

elmango30 said:

I mean eventually if you’re gonna play the game in a game mode with good rewards you’re going to play somebody good and get bodied

Fine, I accept that. My point is that the guys who play in a toxic way shouldn't be playing body-bag games against guys who came to play football. They won. Good for them. They can meet all the other toxic gamers in the same fight-to-the-death pit that right now involves all people who step into Head-to-Head.

xxvillakillaxx said:

Not every reward is meant for every player.  That seems to be something people have forgotten.  People who can win deserve rewards, people who cant win dont.  It's simple

I'm not recommending participation trophies. I also don't think that the best items in the game should be hoarded by the users that are coincidentally the most toxic.

That's why I suggested skins. If you want to chest-thump because you run an HB Direct scheme, all the people that admire that badge can praise you.

phatalerror said:

Fine, I accept that. My point is that the guys who play in a toxic way shouldn't be playing body-bag games against guys who came to play football. They won. Good for them. They can meet all the other toxic gamers in the same fight-to-the-death pit that right now involves all people who step into Head-to-Head.

right, but if you want next tier rewards, you can’t say okay but I don’t wanna play the people who wanna win the most ever

Win games in a row is a bad format for other reasons than toxic gameplay (inconsistent gameplay, ea servers, coming to mind)

elmango30 said:

right, but if you want next tier rewards, you can’t say okay but I don’t wanna play the people who wanna win the most ever

Win games in a row is a bad format for other reasons than toxic gameplay (inconsistent gameplay, ea servers, coming to mind)

My message is not being understood.

What I'm saying is that "Next-Tier Rewards" should involve skins, not items that significantly boost a lineup.

phatalerror said:

I'm not recommending participation trophies. I also don't think that the best items in the game should be hoarded by the users that are coincidentally the most toxic.

That's why I suggested skins. If you want to chest-thump because you run an HB Direct scheme, all the people that admire that badge can praise you.

No you just want stuff.  You know nothing about me or how I play, but automatically assume I run hb direct.  The problem with this game is people like you that just expec  stuff just because.   And according to you everyone but you cheats

phatalerror said:

My message is not being understood.

What I'm saying is that "Next-Tier Rewards" should involve skins, not items that significantly boost a lineup.

Gotcha. I like repeatable comp rewards tho. If we got rid of “win in a row” and replaced it with “win total” I’d be happy