Surprised the market hasnt crashed more

jimshredder said:

Three reasons

1) Theres already been so many crashes this year...auction house being taken down, most feared LTD giveaway, etc

2) Team Diamonds are not as good this year...no master and Breakout theme team is still better with the promo boosts

3) No Companion app

it's just straight coin value though.  if you're ever going to spend a dime on the game the rest of the year, this is your best value hands down.  even the crystals don't come close.  its a minimum 5m if you get the worst pulls from all 10 packs

twitchtaxpro said:

your WORST case is making 5million, best case is 20 million.  i think you'd average out at 10m though.  don't forget the guaranteed team builder packs that you'd get 20 of.  that's another 500k at least.

The Team Builder packs cover the cost of the 83's for the Token Replay packs, unless you really want to build those after spending dollars to save time.

twitchtaxpro said:

it's just straight coin value though.  if you're ever going to spend a dime on the game the rest of the year, this is your best value hands down.  even the crystals don't come close.  its a minimum 5m if you get the worst pulls from all 10 packs

This said, the expected return per champion may need revision. 7 million coins on $100-something is still great "value" by MUT standards, but as more people "cash in" on the offer, the prices of Team Diamonds are continuing to tank.

phatalerror said:

This said, the expected return per champion may need revision. 7 million coins on $100-something is still great "value" by MUT standards, but as more people "cash in" on the offer, the prices of Team Diamonds are continuing to tank.

i literally just sold a randall mcdaniel and a will shields for 515k each 20 minutes ago.  you get to pick any one of 32.  they can all (each token) be sold for 500k+ still

and just sold keanu neal for 499k a minute ago

twitchtaxpro said:

i literally just sold a randall mcdaniel and a will shields for 515k each 20 minutes ago.  you get to pick any one of 32.  they can all (each token) be sold for 500k+ still

Right, I mean, after Auction House tax, which at your number is still 460k. If people dally, or if they don't know what they're doing, they'll get 400k per.

phatalerror said:

Right, I mean, after Auction House tax, which at your number is still 460k. If people dally, or if they don't know what they're doing, they'll get 400k per.

right, but each pack also includes those team builders cards.  i've only gotten 2 of them from the solos and each one had an 87 in it.  minimum you get another 25k if 2 82s, but the 85s still sell for 19k, 87 for 50k, 88 for 50k, 90s for 210k

phatalerror said:

On the assumptions that you could convert ten purchases into 20 tokens with an average pull rate of about 2 tokens per purchase (which is where things get random), and those tokens into 20 Team Builders Champions sold on auction at about 550,000 each, you could make 10 million coins.

I never look at the purchase offers, but I saw that one and almost pulled the trigger using my untouched Deluxe Edition Points. I thought better of it at the last minute. One or two million coins won't make that much of a difference for me at this point.

I'm on ps5 ah right now and there isn't any 92s going for 550k   couple of 502s and the rest of the 92s are low 400ks. 10 mill sounds great even a mill sounds good since I don't have any coins right now.  If I can't make the 10 mill for $130 I don't wanna spend it then. You said the tokens are random so that's even more of gamble to take. This year I've only bought Crystal offers because of guaranteed coins and the season pass. These diamond offers confuse me.

twitchtaxpro said:

your WORST case is making 5million, best case is 20 million.  i think you'd average out at 10m though.  don't forget the guaranteed team builder packs that you'd get 20 of.  that's another 500k at least.

I have no coins at all. So I would be selling whatever I get outta those packs to buy the 83s. 10 mill is what has me interested but even if I could make 5 mill I'd take that.  The risk is what worries me but 5 mill at worse sounds alot better.

ramsfanstl4 said:

I have no coins at all. So I would be selling whatever I get outta those packs to buy the 83s. 10 mill is what has me interested but even if I could make 5 mill I'd take that.  The risk is what worries me but 5 mill at worse sounds alot better.

you will 1000% get 5 mil if you bought 10 of those packs.  zero chance you get 1 token in all 10 packs.  you can sell the team builder pack cards to go buy the 83s.  you can also buy gift cards discounted on sites like eneba, the one i use, to get your points cheaper than regular price.  can prob buy the $134.99 points fo $120 with the discounts (about 12%).  from that $120 you'd get 10 token packs, i predict around 10 million coins, and also 1000 points leftover.

Ehhh, I think the distribution is heavily weighted toward the bottom. I just did 10 and got all one token packs. Sure, it’s a small sample size, but I think an average of two tokens per bundle is overly optimistic. I’d imagine the average token pull rate is somewhere between 1.2-1.5 (I just got a little unlucky). Still cleared 5.4 millions coins which is objectively a great value.

KurtxK0cane said:

Ehhh, I think the distribution is heavily weighted toward the bottom. I just did 10 and got all one token packs. Sure, it’s a small sample size, but I think an average of two tokens per bundle is overly optimistic. I’d imagine the average token pull rate is somewhere between 1.2-1.5 (I just got a little unlucky). Still cleared 5.4 millions coins which is objectively a great value.

you will 1000% get 5 mil if you bought 10 of those packs.  zero chance you get 1 token in all 10 packs.  you can sell the team builder pack cards to go buy the 83s.  you can also buy gift cards discounted on sites like eneba, the one i use, to get your points cheaper than regular price.  can prob buy the $134.99 points fo $120 with the discounts (about 12%).  from that $120 you'd get 10 token packs, i predict around 10 million coins, and also 1000 points leftover.

This is exactly the reason I avoid absolutes. There will always be that guy that rolls snake eyes on your advice.

Nevertheless, it's still about 4 million coins for a little over $100. I would never spend a dime on this mode, but I understand the argument that time is money.

Kudos to you for having the discipline and the Team Builders packs to get five million plus, even with bad Token rolls.

EpicDude28 said:

I guess not enough people have $130 to just freely drop on Madden like that.

So true. I could but I have 20 other things to spend on.

twitchtaxpro said:

For 18500 points (about $130)....you can get 10 token packs and if the odds for each level are equal that's 2.5 tokens per, but even conservatively at a 2 token avg, that's 20 tokens which along w the 20 team builder items would net you around 10 million coins.

If you're ever going to spend money, spend it now.  You can't find coins on the secondary market for $13/m right now.  

Best dollar to coin value ever, more so than the field passes

Is this the step up offer?