Should I stay with 84 geno or choose 83 cam ward?

Timhx said:

Ward's been pretty great for me

Ward has more Accuracy so I love that. But AR is a better runner. I don't run much at all though.

tmac1023 said:

Dude I may have to switch to AR now...

I need to throw enough passes to determine if the accuracies are an issue, but they all hit 80+, sadly only Short (SAC) is above the 85+ threshold.  But that throw power is sweet.  He really zips the ball.  After spending the majority of M25 between Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield (or Drake Maye, with the custom Baker release), this AR15 card just feels liek home to me.  Although, back on Christmas morning, it did take me a legit 2-3+ days before i settled in and adjusted to the Josh Allen release.  I missed a LOT of throws getting used to that quick button press.

However, that can be a bit of personal preference.  Some folks prefer the added mobility, but as a statue in the pocket, i value a lightning-quick release above ALL else.

peatrick said:

I need to throw enough passes to determine if the accuracies are an issue, but they all hit 80+, sadly only Short (SAC) is above the 85+ threshold.  But that throw power is sweet.  He really zips the ball.  After spending the majority of M25 between Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield (or Drake Maye, with the custom Baker release), this AR15 card just feels liek home to me.  Although, back on Christmas morning, it did take me a legit 2-3+ days before i settled in and adjusted to the Josh Allen release.  I missed a LOT of throws getting used to that quick button press.

However, that can be a bit of personal preference.  Some folks prefer the added mobility, but as a statue in the pocket, i value a lightning-quick release above ALL else.

Yea maybe with pocket deadeye I wouldn't have to worry so much about the accuracy. I just saw Hurts overthrow too many open guys so I may be scarred!

tmac1023 said:

Yea maybe with pocket deadeye I wouldn't have to worry so much about the accuracy. I just saw Hurts overthrow too many open guys so I may be scarred!

I typically assume the same, that by using Placement & Accuracy and timing my release, to hopefully get a perfect blue pass, that it'll overcome the middle of the road accuracies.  As long as the QB you are using hits the minimum 90 THP, should be golden.  85 isn't cutting it any longer, the ball snaps out noticeably and significantly quicker with 91 THP from Anthony Richardson.  YMMV, but doubtful.

AR15 gets Pocket Deadeye, but i'm using Conductor instead.  Being able to quick snap opponents before they can set up is absolutely crucial in H2H, imo.

peatrick said:

I typically assume the same, that by using Placement & Accuracy and timing my release, to hopefully get a perfect blue pass, that it'll overcome the middle of the road accuracies.  As long as the QB you are using hits the minimum 90 THP, should be golden.  85 isn't cutting it any longer, the ball snaps out noticeably and significantly quicker with 91 THP from Anthony Richardson.  YMMV, but doubtful.

AR15 gets Pocket Deadeye, but i'm using Conductor instead.  Being able to quick snap opponents before they can set up is absolutely crucial in H2H, imo.

I'm horribleeee at the timing thing I use Placement so I need those ACC stats LMAO! I can't justify using 10AP on that thing! But it makes sense man.

tmac1023 said:

I'm horribleeee at the timing thing I use Placement so I need those ACC stats LMAO! I can't justify using 10AP on that thing! But it makes sense man.

Oh gosh, i'm not even that familiar with all the other types, i just know that they're extremely limiting in one manner or another.  You NEED (or really should be trying) to use Placement & Accuracy passing mechanic.  I do get that at a certain point, QB play is a very personal decision, so you've ultimately got to use whatever works for you, but yer doing yourself a massive disservice not trying to learn the tools available.

Start with default settings, that's essentially what i'm still using: 7/20 reticle speed and NONE for Pass Lead Increase setting (maybe SMALL, if yer trying to cook).

https://youtu.be/Gjo-zf1nIAY

Once you've adjusted the settings, hop into practice mode, Offense Only and spend 15-20 minutes doing that per day and in no time you'll be throwing tons of perfect balls.  Just make sure you do NOT have Pocket Deadeye on your QB when you are practicing.  You are basically granting yourself the pocket deadeye ability, through pure skill gap type stuff.  Which allows you to save 6AP and invest it elsewhere.  Works for basically everything, including throws on the run... although those are significantly (for me) harder to time while scrambling.

Last year on Christmas morning, i was also horrible.  It's just muscle memory, you need to throw ten thousand passes with your favorite QB / release style before it becomes automatic.

peatrick said:

Oh gosh, i'm not even that familiar with all the other types, i just know that they're extremely limiting in one manner or another.  You NEED (or really should be trying) to use Placement & Accuracy passing mechanic.  I do get that at a certain point, QB play is a very personal decision, so you've ultimately got to use whatever works for you, but yer doing yourself a massive disservice not trying to learn the tools available.

Start with default settings, that's essentially what i'm still using: 7/20 reticle speed and NONE for Pass Lead Increase setting (maybe SMALL, if yer trying to cook).

https://youtu.be/Gjo-zf1nIAY

Once you've adjusted the settings, hop into practice mode, Offense Only and spend 15-20 minutes doing that per day and in no time you'll be throwing tons of perfect balls.  Just make sure you do NOT have Pocket Deadeye on your QB when you are practicing.  You are basically granting yourself the pocket deadeye ability, through pure skill gap type stuff.  Which allows you to save 6AP and invest it elsewhere.  Works for basically everything, including throws on the run... although those are significantly (for me) harder to time while scrambling.

Last year on Christmas morning, i was also horrible.  It's just muscle memory, you need to throw ten thousand passes with your favorite QB / release style before it becomes automatic.

Placement just works based off the stats instead of my timing (which is horrendous especially under pressure sincee my fingers get all fidgety). But I have tried the practice with it and I've thrown so many out of reach I just figured it won't work for me smh. I know I'm behind the curve especially with switch stick. I still don't even know how to use that comfortably.  I always wanted to throw my wrs open but  I just miss way more then I hit.

tmac1023 said:

Placement just works based off the stats instead of my timing (which is horrendous especially under pressure sincee my fingers get all fidgety). But I have tried the practice with it and I've thrown so many out of reach I just figured it won't work for me smh. I know I'm behind the curve especially with switch stick. I still don't even know how to use that comfortably.  I always wanted to throw my wrs open but  I just miss way more then I hit.

 

Every QB is going to have different timing, so you really need to find what YOU prefer and settle in.  Personally, i prefer the best/fastest release -- other folks would run away from pressure, but i typically throw hot, into the pass rush.

Either way, having Pocket Deadeye removes the need for learning the specific timing, but there's QBs who just get the ball out quicker and AR15 is one of them.

Here are some of the best/fastest QB Releases, from my limited understanding for M26, in no particular order (although Josh Allen might be THE best):

1. Release #9
2. Release #13
3. Release #18
4. Release #20
5. Release #36