Who are your predictions?
AP Most Valuable Player
AP Comeback Player of the Year
AP Offensive Player of the Year
AP Defensive Player of the Year
AP Offensive Rookie of the Year
AP Defensive Rookie of the Year
Air & Ground Players of the Year
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Offensive Rookie of the Year = Jayden Daniels.
lakeofthewoods
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rimbaud76 said:Offensive Rookie of the Year = Jayden Daniels.
👍 Low Hanging Fruit. :P
lakeofthewoods
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Burrow or Chase for Air Player of the Year?
Henry maybe for Ground Player of the Year with Offensive Player of the Year going to Saquon.
lachry
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Lamar
Burrow
Saquon
PS2
Jayden
Verse
Chase/Burrow
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lachry said:Lamar
Burrow
Saquon
PS2
Jayden
Verse
Chase/Burrow
This pretty much
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AP Most Valuable Player - Josh Allen
AP Comeback Player of the Year - Burrow
AP Offensive Player of the Year - Saquan
AP Defensive Player of the Year - Surtain
AP Offensive Rookie of the Year - JD
AP Defensive Rookie of the Year - Verse
Air & Ground Players of the Year - Goff and Henry
lakeofthewoods
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CNIZZOTE said:AP Most Valuable Player - Josh Allen
AP Comeback Player of the Year - Burrow
AP Offensive Player of the Year - Saquan
AP Defensive Player of the Year - Surtain
AP Offensive Rookie of the Year - JD
AP Defensive Rookie of the Year - Verse
Air & Ground Players of the Year - Goff and Henry
Nailed it! Except for Fed Air & Ground which went to Chase.
RavensFlockLetsFly
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lachry said:Lamar
Burrow
Saquon
PS2
Jayden
Verse
Chase/Burrow
Mar got robbed
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lakeofthewoods said:Nailed it! Except for Fed Air & Ground which went to Chase.
Haha, that's probably because I had never heard of Fed Air & Ground and didn't know what it was and didn't understand only 1 person was eligible to win it - lol
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CNIZZOTE said:Haha, that's probably because I had never heard of Fed Air & Ground and didn't know what it was and didn't understand only 1 person was eligible to win it - lol
chase and Josh won it
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RavensFlockLetsFly said:Mar got robbed
I wouldn't go as far as that
Lamar last year set the precedent when the voters valued wins, team success, and big performances against the top comp as the primary voting factor. Lamar had the biggest game against who was deemed as the best in the league at the time (49ers on SNF), and had a better record than Allen or Dak who had better statistical seasons.
The voters did the same this year. They valued Allen's big performances against the best in the league at the time (and he did it twice w/ KC and DET), and his team having more wins than BAL. You throw in the fact Allen had far less help (no all pro teammates compared to 4 for BAL, and 1 pro bowl teammate compared to 8), and you get the results you got last night.
They felt Lamar had the better year (as evidenced by his 1st team AP), but Josh was more valuable to the success of his team.
Both had a great year, and both were deserving to win. The voters just voted the same way they did last year, and that history ended up in Allen's favor.
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lachry said:I wouldn't go as far as that
Lamar last year set the precedent when the voters valued wins, team success, and big performances against the top comp as the primary voting factor. Lamar had the biggest game against who was deemed as the best in the league at the time (49ers on SNF), and had a better record than Allen or Dak who had better statistical seasons.
The voters did the same this year. They valued Allen's big performances against the best in the league at the time (and he did it twice w/ KC and DET), and his team having more wins than BAL. You throw in the fact Allen had far less help (no all pro teammates compared to 4 for BAL, and 1 pro bowl teammate compared to 8), and you get the results you got last night.
They felt Lamar had the better year (as evidenced by his 1st team AP), but Josh was more valuable to the success of his team.
Both had a great year, and both were deserving to win. The voters just voted the same way they did last year, and that history ended up in Allen's favor.
Last year was a bad year for QBs in general. With Lamar wiping the floor vs all the other candidates he obviously won it (don't think Allen was going to win with 18 INTs).
Allen doesn't have "far" less help. His WR1 was 3rd in YAC yards, Cook had the same amount of rushing TDs as Henry, top 3-5 TE room, promising rookie with a jump ball ability that Bateman doesn't have, and a better and more consistent oline. we had a bottom 5 defense for over half the year and if Tucker would have made some more kicks we might be the #1 Seed. Another cool stat is when Lamar has a rating under 114, him and the Ravens are 0-5. when Allen has a rating under 114 (4 games under 80) he is 5-2. Lamar has to play perfect for the Ravens to win, because if not they lose. Take Lamar off the team and we aren't making the playoffs (nor would the Bills if they lost Allen). But I think we would have a worse record than the Bills if both QBs weren't on their teams. Allen had a cupcake schedule in an easy division and the Ravens had one of the hardest schedules and are in the hardest division. Lamar was 7-3 vs playoff teams and Allen was 2-5 vs them (including a blowout 35-10 lose to a bottom 5 Ravens defense in which he got benched in the 4th).
Voter fatigue, they were glazing Allen from the start.
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RavensFlockLetsFly said:Last year was a bad year for QBs in general. With Lamar wiping the floor vs all the other candidates he obviously won it (don't think Allen was going to win with 18 INTs).
Allen doesn't have "far" less help. His WR1 was 3rd in YAC yards, Cook had the same amount of rushing TDs as Henry, top 3-5 TE room, promising rookie with a jump ball ability that Bateman doesn't have, and a better and more consistent oline. we had a bottom 5 defense for over half the year and if Tucker would have made some more kicks we might be the #1 Seed. Another cool stat is when Lamar has a rating under 114, him and the Ravens are 0-5. when Allen has a rating under 114 (4 games under 80) he is 5-2. Lamar has to play perfect for the Ravens to win, because if not they lose. Take Lamar off the team and we aren't making the playoffs (nor would the Bills if they lost Allen). But I think we would have a worse record than the Bills if both QBs weren't on their teams. Allen had a cupcake schedule in an easy division and the Ravens had one of the hardest schedules and are in the hardest division. Lamar was 7-3 vs playoff teams and Allen was 2-5 vs them (including a blowout 35-10 lose to a bottom 5 Ravens defense in which he got benched in the 4th).
Voter fatigue, they were glazing Allen from the start.
You should compare Lamar's year last year's to Dak.
Lamar didn't wipe the floor w/ anyone.
Sorry fam, your arguments are going to hold any water. You are basically saying Cook and Henry are of equal value, Andrews/Likely are worse than Kincaid and Knox, and Coleman had a better year than Bateman (you didn't include Zay). There isn't anyone on this planet that is going to agree w/ that (as evidenced by AP and Pro Bowl selections). That doesn't pass the eye test, or doesn't show up on the stat sheet as well.
The defense's we can call a wash, even though BAL had a better total defense and better points scored.
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lachry said:You should compare Lamar's year last year's to Dak.
Lamar didn't wipe the floor w/ anyone.
Sorry fam, your arguments are going to hold any water. You are basically saying Cook and Henry are of equal value, Andrews/Likely are worse than Kincaid and Knox, and Coleman had a better year than Bateman (you didn't include Zay). There isn't anyone on this planet that is going to agree w/ that (as evidenced by AP and Pro Bowl selections). That doesn't pass the eye test, or doesn't show up on the stat sheet as well.
The defense's we can call a wash, even though BAL had a better total defense and better points scored.
so blowing out the dolphins and 49ers with 2 MVP candidates on both teams just means nothing??? Lamar played better football than Dak last year.
No but Cook is top 5 ITL, Andrews/Likely are the bets group ITL but Knox and Kincaid are top 5 minimum, Coleman has something that Bate doesn't, Shakir is better than Zay. Pro bowls don't mean shit, Drake maye made the damn pro bowl. Week 5 vs the Bengals, no one thought that play was going to be a TD.
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