ItsBLADEE said:Because people are always chasing the high
This. It’s triggering a ton of addiction processes in the brain. lol it’s absolute insanity to spend hundreds on a game when you can spend nothing and have basically the same win loss record. Stick skills, decision making, and grinding will carry you wherever you wanna go. Money is not needed
You could have got minimum once but at least you got it twice.
NickChubbIsMyPookie said:Because ltds are expensive asf this year and I wanted a few more to feel comfortable
You could have bought when you needed it tho. They run these crazy deals every few weeks. The best offer of the year was still the team diamond tokens. It's just dumb to spend when you don't need it.
sosouthern said:Just one more thought on what you said, so you really think that if you have a 99 team and 15 million coins you're gonna get good pack luck? The only way you're gonna hit is if you keep spending money until you hit maybe 100-200 bucks in. My opinion is that a person with a 90 or 92 team will hit on the first or second pack they buy. While the person with the higher team and 15 mil will hit on 5-10 packs, (LTD or good cards)if even. Rerolls are the perfect example.
I mean I have a 97 over team and 30m coins and pulled a LTD Jake long out of a 3k training pack 2 days ago
sosouthern said:Just one more thought on what you said, so you really think that if you have a 99 team and 15 million coins you're gonna get good pack luck? The only way you're gonna hit is if you keep spending money until you hit maybe 100-200 bucks in. My opinion is that a person with a 90 or 92 team will hit on the first or second pack they buy. While the person with the higher team and 15 mil will hit on 5-10 packs, (LTD or good cards)if even. Rerolls are the perfect example.
so you really think that if you have a 99 team and 15 million coins you're gonna get good pack luck? Pack luck is pack luck. There are odds built into the packs. You can see the odds on the pack. There was litigation regarding this.
The only way you're gonna hit is if you keep spending money until you hit maybe 100-200 bucks in. This is not true.
My opinion is that a person with a 90 or 92 team will hit on the first or second pack they buy. While the person with the higher team and 15 mil will hit on 5-10 packs, (LTD or good cards)if even. Rerolls are the perfect example. You can have opinions, but anecdotal stories of your one friend or a sample size of 5-10 packs is not evidence of what you claim. I have my own personal anecdotal experiences that completely refute your claims. I spend money on this game mode. I open packs. I have run NMS accounts. The only difference in pack luck is when you spend real world dollars, usually in the form of increased odds which are clearly labeled on the packs.
Please explain how "Rerolls are the perfect example", since I have opened thousands of these packs across my accounts throughout the years and have found absolutely zero evidence of what you're opining.
Please continue to enjoy your choices. For everyone else, I encourage you to apply logical reasoning to my statements and observe carefully when purchasing packs, comparing them to my perspective.
timboslice87 said:This. It’s triggering a ton of addiction processes in the brain. lol it’s absolute insanity to spend hundreds on a game when you can spend nothing and have basically the same win loss record. Stick skills, decision making, and grinding will carry you wherever you wanna go. Money is not needed
Indeed, I have previously expressed this sentiment in my other posts.
twitchtaxpro said:I mean I have a 97 over team and 30m coins and pulled a LTD Jake long out of a 3k training pack 2 days ago
I never stated that you wouldn't be successful. However, the concern lies in the frequency of attempts required when utilizing actual funds.
JDrum99 said:While I don't doubt your friend came back after a month, spent some money and rippped something of value, that's where the story ends. EA is not setting pack odds based on the hours you've logged on or off the game, nor by how many coins you have. It just rewards spending. That's it. It doesn't care if you are a 99 OVR god squad, your pack odds are the same. and only boosted when you swipe that card, baby. From what I can tell, EA is pretty poor at catering their UT product audience with what it wants, but EA's not careless enough to set itself up to be sued into oblivion.
After 12+ years of playing MUT over multiple accounts with 1000's of packs opened, I have to 100% disagree with your statement. Pack odds are 100% different for every account. Why do you think Farm Teams were cracked down on so hard?!?! You can't even type the word "farm" into the MUT sub-reddit...it gets blocked. I no longer do a farm account due to the transferring of coins crack-down, but its so obvious that your account changes your pack odds. Hang up the sticks for a month and you'll see some banger pulls. Go on a losing steak and you'll see some decent pulls. Take your account down to an 85 OVR with less than 1M in coins and you'll see your pack odds increase.
In regards to suing EA over this....who is going to sue them and for what?!?! There is NO regulation over this game mode currently. EA posting pack odds is simply to keep the government off of them. They are currently not required by US law to post pack odds.
I honestly don't know how people question this unless they are an EA plant. EA is willing to do ANYTHING to make $. This isn't something that is below their ethics.
Dirk26 said:After 12+ years of playing MUT over multiple accounts with 1000's of packs opened, I have to 100% disagree with your statement. Pack odds are 100% different for every account. Why do you think Farm Teams were cracked down on so hard?!?! You can't even type the word "farm" into the MUT sub-reddit...it gets blocked. I no longer do a farm account due to the transferring of coins crack-down, but its so obvious that your account changes your pack odds. Hang up the sticks for a month and you'll see some banger pulls. Go on a losing steak and you'll see some decent pulls. Take your account down to an 85 OVR with less than 1M in coins and you'll see your pack odds increase.
In regards to suing EA over this....who is going to sue them and for what?!?! There is NO regulation over this game mode currently. EA posting pack odds is simply to keep the government off of them. They are currently not required by US law to post pack odds.
I honestly don't know how people question this unless they are an EA plant. EA is willing to do ANYTHING to make $. This isn't something that is below their ethics.
Pack odds are 100% different for every account. - You are confusing results with odds. Pack results are 100% different for every account bc they are based on odds, not guarantees, so naturally each account will experience a different level of success when opening packs. I challenge you to do a study - a real one with ample sample size - and see what the value is after opening a set number of packs from accounts spanning different OVRs and no coins. I'd genuinely be interested to see it.
Why do you think Farm Teams were cracked down on so hard?!?! You can't even type the word "farm" into the MUT sub-reddit...it gets blocked. I no longer do a farm account due to the transferring of coins crack-down, but its so obvious that your account changes your pack odds. - There is a lot to unpack here, but I don't know if the dots are connected correctly. EA cracked down on farm accounts and did away with the tradeblock bc they want to squeeze as much m oney out of this mode as possible, and those two things were in direct opposition to that goal. When coin selling companies were literally created on the backbone of those two things, EA put a stop to it.
Hang up the sticks for a month and you'll see some banger pulls. - I have taken breaks, and in my experience pack odds are only boosted when buying packs. I get plenty of decent pulls with my current account, which I use to regularly purchase points.
Go on a losing steak and you'll see some decent pulls. - I hit losing streaks often. As much or maybe a little bit less than average for this site, I'm sure. I'm no MCS-worthy player. No extra love from the packs, though.
Take your account down to an 85 OVR with less than 1M in coins and you'll see your pack odds increase. - Lol why would anyone do this? Especially with the outstanding pack luck I've enjoyed so far this year. So you're suggesting I should do what, exactly? Sell everything and waste the tens of millions of coins (how? on strat packs or something?) just to tank my team OVR and gamble that my pack luck will increase? BRO WUT??? Have you actually done this?? lol
In regards to suing EA over this....who is going to sue them and for what?!?! There is NO regulation over this game mode currently. - This is more straightforwaard: gambling laws, such as those pertaining to loot boxes, directly impact this game mode. I don't regularly keep up with news like this, but I know offhand of at least 3 class action lawsuits within the past ~3-5 years (iirc), one in Cali, one in Europe and one in Canada. I have no idea any details nor where any of these suits ended up, tbh, although I am pretty sure EA was forced to remove MUT/FUT altogether in certain places.
EA posting pack odds is simply to keep the government off of them. They are currently not required by US law to post pack odds. - Correct, it is not US law. However, it is law in other countries, and those pack odds match the ones displayed in the US, so...
I know it's fun to talk conspiracy theories, especially against a company that I find to be so unnecessarily greedy, but there is just no truth to these claims. EA is in this to make as much money as possible, not to help the lonely NMS player who hardly plays the game. if you take a break and come back, you are likely to get better card OVRs in relation to your outdated team, but don't confuse that with "better pulls to help catch the player up." That would not make them money. I don't know how you can question that EA doesn't give shit away.
twitchtaxpro said:I understand people spending money on this game but it blows my mind why anyone would spend money when they have the coins to buy the cards they want.
It's weird man, i had to talk myself out of buying the platinum packs in the store. There was no need for me to as i had more coins than i'll ever need, i guess its just an addiction. They've made it so easy this year to make coins without spending money. I'm guessing that's gonna change next year when they realize how much they messed up and lost out on.
JDrum99 said:Pack odds are 100% different for every account. - You are confusing results with odds. Pack results are 100% different for every account bc they are based on odds, not guarantees, so naturally each account will experience a different level of success when opening packs. I challenge you to do a study - a real one with ample sample size - and see what the value is after opening a set number of packs from accounts spanning different OVRs and no coins. I'd genuinely be interested to see it.
Why do you think Farm Teams were cracked down on so hard?!?! You can't even type the word "farm" into the MUT sub-reddit...it gets blocked. I no longer do a farm account due to the transferring of coins crack-down, but its so obvious that your account changes your pack odds. - There is a lot to unpack here, but I don't know if the dots are connected correctly. EA cracked down on farm accounts and did away with the tradeblock bc they want to squeeze as much m oney out of this mode as possible, and those two things were in direct opposition to that goal. When coin selling companies were literally created on the backbone of those two things, EA put a stop to it.
Hang up the sticks for a month and you'll see some banger pulls. - I have taken breaks, and in my experience pack odds are only boosted when buying packs. I get plenty of decent pulls with my current account, which I use to regularly purchase points.
Go on a losing steak and you'll see some decent pulls. - I hit losing streaks often. As much or maybe a little bit less than average for this site, I'm sure. I'm no MCS-worthy player. No extra love from the packs, though.
Take your account down to an 85 OVR with less than 1M in coins and you'll see your pack odds increase. - Lol why would anyone do this? Especially with the outstanding pack luck I've enjoyed so far this year. So you're suggesting I should do what, exactly? Sell everything and waste the tens of millions of coins (how? on strat packs or something?) just to tank my team OVR and gamble that my pack luck will increase? BRO WUT??? Have you actually done this?? lol
In regards to suing EA over this....who is going to sue them and for what?!?! There is NO regulation over this game mode currently. - This is more straightforwaard: gambling laws, such as those pertaining to loot boxes, directly impact this game mode. I don't regularly keep up with news like this, but I know offhand of at least 3 class action lawsuits within the past ~3-5 years (iirc), one in Cali, one in Europe and one in Canada. I have no idea any details nor where any of these suits ended up, tbh, although I am pretty sure EA was forced to remove MUT/FUT altogether in certain places.
EA posting pack odds is simply to keep the government off of them. They are currently not required by US law to post pack odds. - Correct, it is not US law. However, it is law in other countries, and those pack odds match the ones displayed in the US, so...
I know it's fun to talk conspiracy theories, especially against a company that I find to be so unnecessarily greedy, but there is just no truth to these claims. EA is in this to make as much money as possible, not to help the lonely NMS player who hardly plays the game. if you take a break and come back, you are likely to get better card OVRs in relation to your outdated team, but don't confuse that with "better pulls to help catch the player up." That would not make them money. I don't know how you can question that EA doesn't give shit away.
You are missing the entire point, and maybe that's by design.
Why would EA have a problem with farm accounts? 10+ years ago we used to get valuable rewards that were sellable and farm accounts could get those rewards multiple times. Well EA made everything BND so they got rid of that. So now why would EA have an issue with Farm Accounts? You can no longer trade content between accounts and there are no longer rewards to grind for so what is the problem? I'm making the logical connection.
In regards to oversight....you said it yourself....THERE IS NONE!!!! EA does not have to follow the laws of casinos. Europe has cracked down on EA, but that has no relation to things in the US. Your argument is "EA wouldn't do this because they will get sued." How is someone gonna sue them for make-believe laws they haven't broken?!?! So it's law in other countries, EA can't create multiple sets of "rules" for different locations?!?!? You bring up the previous suits and follow it up with "I don't know the outcome." I'll tell you the outcome of those suits....NOTHING!!!! You're going up against a legal company that dabbles in video games (similar to Disney). Ain't no one bringing a successful class-action lawsuit against EA.
Next you ask "why would EA give a brand new account better pack odds?" Most of gaming today is designed to get you interested, get you hooked, then maximize as much of your time, attention and money going forward. If you can't connect the dots on that one, I'm at a loss.
There are companies in all different sectors who are messing with individual pricing (your price to pay will be dictated by your demographic), dynamic pricing, surge pricing, etc. Walmart is currently changing all of their price tags to digital price tags so that when it's hot outside, they can instantly raise the price on water and ice cream. I can give you a huge list of unethical practices (but not illegal) that are currently underway. But somehow in your mind EA is above this and doesn't participate in these kind of practices?!?! It's too big of a leap for you to think that a company that specializes in coding can't write code to maximize their profits, especially when it's not illegal?
My man....have I got a deal for you!!!! I have a cousin who is a prince and is willing to give you millions if you can just provide him with all of your personal info.
JDrum99 said:Pack odds are 100% different for every account. - You are confusing results with odds. Pack results are 100% different for every account bc they are based on odds, not guarantees, so naturally each account will experience a different level of success when opening packs. I challenge you to do a study - a real one with ample sample size - and see what the value is after opening a set number of packs from accounts spanning different OVRs and no coins. I'd genuinely be interested to see it.
Why do you think Farm Teams were cracked down on so hard?!?! You can't even type the word "farm" into the MUT sub-reddit...it gets blocked. I no longer do a farm account due to the transferring of coins crack-down, but its so obvious that your account changes your pack odds. - There is a lot to unpack here, but I don't know if the dots are connected correctly. EA cracked down on farm accounts and did away with the tradeblock bc they want to squeeze as much m oney out of this mode as possible, and those two things were in direct opposition to that goal. When coin selling companies were literally created on the backbone of those two things, EA put a stop to it.
Hang up the sticks for a month and you'll see some banger pulls. - I have taken breaks, and in my experience pack odds are only boosted when buying packs. I get plenty of decent pulls with my current account, which I use to regularly purchase points.
Go on a losing steak and you'll see some decent pulls. - I hit losing streaks often. As much or maybe a little bit less than average for this site, I'm sure. I'm no MCS-worthy player. No extra love from the packs, though.
Take your account down to an 85 OVR with less than 1M in coins and you'll see your pack odds increase. - Lol why would anyone do this? Especially with the outstanding pack luck I've enjoyed so far this year. So you're suggesting I should do what, exactly? Sell everything and waste the tens of millions of coins (how? on strat packs or something?) just to tank my team OVR and gamble that my pack luck will increase? BRO WUT??? Have you actually done this?? lol
In regards to suing EA over this....who is going to sue them and for what?!?! There is NO regulation over this game mode currently. - This is more straightforwaard: gambling laws, such as those pertaining to loot boxes, directly impact this game mode. I don't regularly keep up with news like this, but I know offhand of at least 3 class action lawsuits within the past ~3-5 years (iirc), one in Cali, one in Europe and one in Canada. I have no idea any details nor where any of these suits ended up, tbh, although I am pretty sure EA was forced to remove MUT/FUT altogether in certain places.
EA posting pack odds is simply to keep the government off of them. They are currently not required by US law to post pack odds. - Correct, it is not US law. However, it is law in other countries, and those pack odds match the ones displayed in the US, so...
I know it's fun to talk conspiracy theories, especially against a company that I find to be so unnecessarily greedy, but there is just no truth to these claims. EA is in this to make as much money as possible, not to help the lonely NMS player who hardly plays the game. if you take a break and come back, you are likely to get better card OVRs in relation to your outdated team, but don't confuse that with "better pulls to help catch the player up." That would not make them money. I don't know how you can question that EA doesn't give shit away.
Also, you talk about pack odds vs results. I'm 100% aware of the difference. Have you ever taken time to read the details on their pack "odds?" Even their wording is BS. The pack odds are always tested multiple days/weeks prior and their fine print..."Contents of pack are dynamically generated and probabilities are verified using a computational simulation."
Believe what you want man. Go on telling yourself that EA has some sort of moral code. I really don't care, especially if you want to put $ into the game. It just really blows my mind when people such as yourself defend EA and their horrible practices. I personally judge entities by their actions, not their words.
sosouthern said:Just one more thought on what you said, so you really think that if you have a 99 team and 15 million coins you're gonna get good pack luck? The only way you're gonna hit is if you keep spending money until you hit maybe 100-200 bucks in. My opinion is that a person with a 90 or 92 team will hit on the first or second pack they buy. While the person with the higher team and 15 mil will hit on 5-10 packs, (LTD or good cards)if even. Rerolls are the perfect example.
This is wrong. A 99 team will have exactly the same odds to pull any card that a 88 team has. Your ovr means nothing the more you buy the better your chances cuz the odds suck
Dirk26 said:After 12+ years of playing MUT over multiple accounts with 1000's of packs opened, I have to 100% disagree with your statement. Pack odds are 100% different for every account. Why do you think Farm Teams were cracked down on so hard?!?! You can't even type the word "farm" into the MUT sub-reddit...it gets blocked. I no longer do a farm account due to the transferring of coins crack-down, but its so obvious that your account changes your pack odds. Hang up the sticks for a month and you'll see some banger pulls. Go on a losing steak and you'll see some decent pulls. Take your account down to an 85 OVR with less than 1M in coins and you'll see your pack odds increase.
In regards to suing EA over this....who is going to sue them and for what?!?! There is NO regulation over this game mode currently. EA posting pack odds is simply to keep the government off of them. They are currently not required by US law to post pack odds.
I honestly don't know how people question this unless they are an EA plant. EA is willing to do ANYTHING to make $. This isn't something that is below their ethics.
Dude, thanks a bunch!!! I'm totally gonna let have it. I don't know why he thinks that can't happen lol.
