How do you stop the RPO?

elmango30 said:

I mean what you want is for human level reaction time and understanding in your computer players. You are the human controlling them. If you’d rather they have more autonomy, okay, I just think that’s bad for MUT, since mut is the competitive game mode

As for what’s cheating - doing something in the game, with traditional inputs, that is “good”, however you wanna define that, is just playing the game. Just cos it’s hard for you, doesn’t make it cheating

I would have no problem with MUT being called a competition game if I could direct eleven players to do their job effectively at a reasonably macro level. I have to babysit the other ten kids on the field, and RPO Spammers know that to be the case. There are too many plays with multiple reads that aren’t effectively defended by any stock defense, and switch stick doesn’t help when a coverages are as badly blown as Madden characteristically allows on an every-down basis.

phatalerror said:

I would have no problem with MUT being called a competition game if I could direct eleven players to do their job effectively at a reasonably macro level. I have to babysit the other ten kids on the field, and RPO Spammers know that to be the case. There are too many plays with multiple reads that aren’t effectively defended by any stock defense, and switch stick doesn’t help when a coverages are as badly blown as Madden characteristically allows on an every-down basis.

yea that’s why comp players don’t run stock defense. I change 4 players in coverage basically every play, sometimes more if necessary. I get not everyone can do that, but that’s part of the skill gap in comp

Fair enough. You've made your point more nuanced and I hear it. It doesn't really change the fact that RPO's are overpowered not because the concept is overpowered but because the game and its clunky animation-based RNG bullshit can't deal with them very well. Its not the only fault in the game by a long way but it is a well known and often exploited one.

Back to the OP and my original point. I play MUT sparingly. When I do, I want a match-up with someone who wants to play a game as close to a Sim as the game will allow. I don't care about winning Superbowls etc. Most of the time, I'll know after 3 or 4 plays whether I'll get that. It might be RPO's; it might be fucking Dontari Poe at QB or 4 Stetch runs on the spin: anyone that plays MUT knows most of the BS to be found in the game and when I come up against that, I just leave and start another game. I'm not judging the other player; do what you want. But I want 45 minutes of football and can't be bothered to spend half of it making a billion adjustments to try to stop the same shit over and over and over again. Life's too short man.....

EightyOne said:

Fair enough. You've made your point more nuanced and I hear it. It doesn't really change the fact that RPO's are overpowered not because the concept is overpowered but because the game and its clunky animation-based RNG bullshit can't deal with them very well. Its not the only fault in the game by a long way but it is a well known and often exploited one.

Back to the OP and my original point. I play MUT sparingly. When I do, I want a match-up with someone who wants to play a game as close to a Sim as the game will allow. I don't care about winning Superbowls etc. Most of the time, I'll know after 3 or 4 plays whether I'll get that. It might be RPO's; it might be fucking Dontari Poe at QB or 4 Stetch runs on the spin: anyone that plays MUT knows most of the BS to be found in the game and when I come up against that, I just leave and start another game. I'm not judging the other player; do what you want. But I want 45 minutes of football and can't be bothered to spend half of it making a billion adjustments to try to stop the same shit over and over and over again. Life's too short man.....

honestly man, yeah i get it. i came in too aggressive about it too, thats my fault. Frankly, you can just not wanna play against a certain style, even if its balanced perfectly and is exactly how it is in the nfl. its a game, have fun

elmango30 said:

yea that’s why comp players don’t run stock defense. I change 4 players in coverage basically every play, sometimes more if necessary. I get not everyone can do that, but that’s part of the skill gap in comp

If the individual players moved and reacted the way they should from the stock defenses, playing the game would be instinctive for a football mind. Playing Madden is like learning another language even when you speak football fluently. And, frankly, the guys in comp are not playing football, they're exploiting the coding to get players to do the most they can do from within the Madden context. There's so much non-football stuff they instruct their players to do, because it's the only way to defend against the non-football stuff the offensive users can pull off.

We're going in circles here. We both desire that the game plays with outcomes dependent primarily on skill gap and not random chance, but since this is in a football context, it should play like football. I didn't sign up for a system where I have to press because guys won't cover, user specific players according to specific offensive vs. defensive alignments because the CPU player will literally do nothing if I don't user him, and so on. Guys who play Madden like it's football get punished because they're not exploiting the coding, plain and simple.

Khoale37 said:

This. And set your pass key read to conservative. Your CB should blow up the pass.

At the risk of sounding ignorant, how does changing pass key read to conservative help with the CB blowing up the pass?

HarrythehitmanMN said:

At the risk of sounding ignorant, how does changing pass key read to conservative help with the CB blowing up the pass?

He is referring directly to defending RPOs. If you set your pass key read to conservative, the CB will stick to the passing option and leave the running lane open for the QB keep.

if at goalline try 6-2 formation 60 out jacks, dbs will come down and guard flats and you can easily press right direction pad > up on right stick to zone the 2 linebackers

LoganHeck907 said:

He is referring directly to defending RPOs. If you set your pass key read to conservative, the CB will stick to the passing option and leave the running lane open for the QB keep.

Thanks for explaining this explains why when I switch to man to counter the RPO the CB is still caving in. Much appreciated.

phatalerror said:

If the individual players moved and reacted the way they should from the stock defenses, playing the game would be instinctive for a football mind. Playing Madden is like learning another language even when you speak football fluently. And, frankly, the guys in comp are not playing football, they're exploiting the coding to get players to do the most they can do from within the Madden context. There's so much non-football stuff they instruct their players to do, because it's the only way to defend against the non-football stuff the offensive users can pull off.

We're going in circles here. We both desire that the game plays with outcomes dependent primarily on skill gap and not random chance, but since this is in a football context, it should play like football. I didn't sign up for a system where I have to press because guys won't cover, user specific players according to specific offensive vs. defensive alignments because the CPU player will literally do nothing if I don't user him, and so on. Guys who play Madden like it's football get punished because they're not exploiting the coding, plain and simple.

I think a larger percentage than you think aren’t even using football knowledge