A lot of players are running the Double or Nothing (3AP), El Toro (2AP) and B.O.G.O (2AP) for a total of 7AP on two D linemen…
I have personally been running Double or Nothing and B.O.G.O for 5AP on 3 players and it’s been working just as good, i don’t believe El Toro makes the stack any more broken personally
but now i wonder, has anyone just ran Double or Nothing by itself?
RyyoLurkedEm said:A lot of players are running the Double or Nothing (3AP), El Toro (2AP) and B.O.G.O (2AP) for a total of 7AP on two D linemen…
I have personally been running Double or Nothing and B.O.G.O for 5AP on 3 players and it’s been working just as good, i don’t believe El Toro makes the stack any more broken personally
but now i wonder, has anyone just ran Double or Nothing by itself?
Just as always people are copying it because streamers are saying it works. I think both those abilities combined kill your pass rush points very fast and you get no pass rush at all. You need mr. Big stop as well but that's too many ap. Also the description of el toro even says it only works with full pass rush points. For me don and mr big stop is the move. If u can bogo in there as well it's great.
RyyoLurkedEm said:A lot of players are running the Double or Nothing (3AP), El Toro (2AP) and B.O.G.O (2AP) for a total of 7AP on two D linemen…
I have personally been running Double or Nothing and B.O.G.O for 5AP on 3 players and it’s been working just as good, i don’t believe El Toro makes the stack any more broken personally
but now i wonder, has anyone just ran Double or Nothing by itself?
yes i do and it works just fine, never understood the "stack"
Cizzle said:Just as always people are copying it because streamers are saying it works. I think both those abilities combined kill your pass rush points very fast and you get no pass rush at all. You need mr. Big stop as well but that's too many ap. Also the description of el toro even says it only works with full pass rush points. For me don and mr big stop is the move. If u can bogo in there as well it's great.
with BOGO it doesn't kill your rush points
RyyoLurkedEm said:A lot of players are running the Double or Nothing (3AP), El Toro (2AP) and B.O.G.O (2AP) for a total of 7AP on two D linemen…
I have personally been running Double or Nothing and B.O.G.O for 5AP on 3 players and it’s been working just as good, i don’t believe El Toro makes the stack any more broken personally
but now i wonder, has anyone just ran Double or Nothing by itself?
when I tried taking of El Toro I noticed I wasnt getting as much pressure. so I just threw it back on, no other abilities I really care about
RavensFlockLetsFly said:with BOGO it doesn't kill your rush points
Yes it does. Bogo only can give an additional pass rush move per play which can be op. But you still spend a pass rush point and with don more then one per play and el toro takes a few as well
Cizzle said:Yes it does. Bogo only can give an additional pass rush move per play which can be op. But you still spend a pass rush point and with don more then one per play and el toro takes a few as well
I think both those abilities combined kill your pass rush points very fast and you get no pass rush at all
BOGO def doesn't make it so ur points and pass rush get killed, I had 4 sacks in 4 plays just sending 2 with the sack
RavensFlockLetsFly said:I think both those abilities combined kill your pass rush points very fast and you get no pass rush at all
BOGO def doesn't make it so ur points and pass rush get killed, I had 4 sacks in 4 plays just sending 2 with the sack
Well 4 sacks in 4 plays is luck and is of course not gonna happen consistently unless ypur opponent holds the ball very long. I tried the stack and watched the points and in longer games they go down and don't replenish. But hey do what you like. If everybody keeps believing this it's easier offense for me and gg.
Cizzle said:Well 4 sacks in 4 plays is luck and is of course not gonna happen consistently unless ypur opponent holds the ball very long. I tried the stack and watched the points and in longer games they go down and don't replenish. But hey do what you like. If everybody keeps believing this it's easier offense for me and gg.
What abilities are you running on defense?
Cizzle said:Well 4 sacks in 4 plays is luck and is of course not gonna happen consistently unless ypur opponent holds the ball very long. I tried the stack and watched the points and in longer games they go down and don't replenish. But hey do what you like. If everybody keeps believing this it's easier offense for me and gg.
what Offense you run
RavensFlockLetsFly said:what Offense you run
What does that have to do with it?
Cizzle said:On the inside interior threat, don, mr big stop and two don on the outside. I rotate them in and out
Ok ty. That's a lot of points. And you say you rotate them? Like move the DTs to edge and vice versa? Between plays or series? Thanks again
Cizzle said:What does that have to do with it?
you said it makes your offense easier, I want to know what you run
Woodysky said:Ok ty. That's a lot of points. And you say you rotate them? Like move the DTs to edge and vice versa? Between plays or series? Thanks again
You kinda should always rotate your dline to avoid the resistance bars of the oline. I rotate the edge rushers out if it's a long drive cuz I can't put mr big stuff on them cuz of ap points. I rarely blitz cuz the blitzes that work good players know how to defend them. So I need organic pressure which is really hard this year. Basically don't run what everybody runs. Good players know how to expose this. I run a cover 2 with a lot of adjustements and zone drops. It's very risky but you have to play risky d or you rarely get stops this year.