Gunslinger debate…

IKeys said:

Reading everyone's thoughts and placing alongside my experience with it... It seems that the overthrows happen with QBs with very good release as GS speeds it up "TOO MUCH". I first noticed it with Will Levis months ago.

Seems like the move is to get a QB with a top release (eg Josh Allen, etc) and save the AP elsewhere. Yes, No? Whaddya think?

that’s what i personally believe. If you’re using a slow release QB, must have ability. If you’re using Lower Three Quarters 2 (best release - Josh Allen) or Over the Top 2 (2nd best release? not 100% on this -  RG3) it is not necessary 

Its better to run PLE/SFL if you can afford it in your AP as this has to do with ball speed rather than throwing motion speed with GS

Beezymane said:

I did. Also tried Caleb wo GS and his release was awful. Maybe it affects releases differently.

it does! If you use a fast release like Allen, you can still blue time your passes, you just have to release the button a lot quicker to account for a fast release plus gunslinger on top

it’s just a lot harder to do consistently when you have pressure in your face - which leads to the over throws. No pressure, no problem, but when there is… over throws galore

RyyoLurkedEm said:

Are you running gunslinger? 

Ever since ZC i’ve decided to not run it… too many over throws on route breaks which is incredibly painful in a meta where a lot of player send blitzes every single snap…

Used it on Allen and Lawrence and I’ve had enough, rather run quick draw for 1AP which releases the ball quicker if there’s pressure to avoid a sack. This, master tac and gift wrapped seems to be my personal stack preference at the moment

GS only messes up timing if you throw it too close to the break of a route

I personally have used it so much that I just naturally know when to throw the ball on a WR break (even when I throw it too close to the break I know this while throwing it)

DieDie410 said:

GS only messes up timing if you throw it too close to the break of a route

I personally have used it so much that I just naturally know when to throw the ball on a WR break (even when I throw it too close to the break I know this while throwing it)

I don't remember this being an issue last year. I went from always equipping Gunslinger to knowing it's irrelevant, at least for the way I've been playing MUT since 2023.

RyyoLurkedEm said:

This is a PERSONAL preference. I am just trying to see what everyone else thinks, won the SB event first try with RG3 no gunslinger yesterday, i don’t think avoiding this ability makes you a worse player by any means!

Definitely personal preference. Can win games a lot of different ways, but are you truly optimizing to give yourself the best chance to remain competitive? For me, personally, nothing else matters if we can't get the ball out quickly, especially when so many dudes are sending 6+ (simulating seven) pass rushers. 

I'm using just a 3AP stack on Jeff Garcia (GS + GW), coming from Baker Mayfield... got spoiled running an end-game Josh Allen with true quad/god stack (GS, GW, PLE & Master Tactician), but each and every time I've switched QBs, I've had to spend the next 2-3 data relearning the timing, so I'm throwing a fair amount of perfect blues on most pass attempts. First few days after Christmas I wasn't even sure Josh Allen was good, until I finally adjusted and realized it was mostly me. He was just too damn good, his release was SO fast I was missing more passes than was normal. 

Anyway, I'm enjoying having a couple Edge Protectors on both OTs, a Tank on my RB and Identifier on my O-line (RG) which has been decent, especially against all the DoN in seeing. YMMV.