"CHEESE"

This is my first year playing MUT, and while I'm a below average player at best, I see a lot of people complaining when plays work and get used over and over. They call it cheese. I suppose I understand the frustration of not being able to stop a particular play, but isn't that the end goal of football? To come up with a play no one can stop? I guess the Tush Push is "cheese" if the pros run a play that's effective over and over, what's wrong with doing it in Madden? ✌️

I personally get bored running the same play over and over on both sides of the ball, same as watching someone doing the same. It's just boring and isn't a fun way to play for me personally. Consider myself more than above average, with a less than average attention span when bored, I play to win and have fun, I don't find some people's personal way to play entertaining or fun, but to each their own.

I just don't understand why people enjoy running the same play over and over again. This is just a video game but it's much more fun to play and play againt people who mix plays. We can't play sim type of football but hopefully people would even try their best. Seeing HB throwing dots many times per game is just so stupid that I don't even bother. I will never use that play even it's good. Also QB running to the sideline and making some weird throw to almost opposite sideline is just so shameful that I can't stand it.

Yeah I have my "money plays" but do I "cheese" those to win? No I won't. I would win much more if I do so but I can't play this game like that.

I hope  EA would create a game mode to all cheesers like Showdown now and then House Rules for sim type of gaming. And of course coin earnings higher for that stupid cheese stuff to keep away those idiots from sim type of gameplay so we could enjoy more of this video game.

I play this game for fun, not because I want to have as much coins as possible with stupid cheese plays.

I certainly agree that running the same play over and over isn't much fun. I don't necessarily have any that I run over and over back to back but when I find something that works, I go back to it for sure if I need to.

It is more fun for me when the games are somewhat realistic. I mix up my plays a lot, which is the crux of any success I find in Madden, it's my only strategy really. 

I think cheeze is when someone has glitches inside of plays that work even if you are playing the defense correctly for what they are doing. Like they find a route combo that glitches out a cover 4 or cover 3 or man. It's hard sometimes to keep glitching someone out but some of these freaks are full regards that play non stop with a glitchy defense and 5 glitch offense plays that win in madden but would not work in real life over and over. And if I have to do 5+ adjustments on defense every play to stop it, I just don't want to do that. Not interested in playing that sweaty. 

Honestly if there were different leagues I'd prefer that. I just don't want to play some tism master, much less five of them in a row every night. I get about 30% enjoyable games, which I guess keeps me coming back but seems like that number could be higher very easily and likely they are just using this aggravation tactic as a way to make money.

To me, it really isn't about the cheese. It's the lack of variety in this game that bothers me. If a streamer or pro finds a cheese play, most of the community runs it (ex. double pass, loop blitz). 

Playing against this every game gets boring.

I've never understood people losing their minds over "cheese" and "glitch plays". 
People who spend time and energy bitching about certain plays might as well just spend the same time figuring out how to stop them. There are countless streamers and content creators going over everything thats considered "meta".  Knowing and being able to identify what people run is part of the skill-gap. There's a reason people go 20-0 in weekend league despite encountering people using "glitch plays" and "cheese"

PBateman said:

I've never understood people losing their minds over "cheese" and "glitch plays". 
People who spend time and energy bitching about certain plays might as well just spend the same time figuring out how to stop them. There are countless streamers and content creators going over everything thats considered "meta".  Knowing and being able to identify what people run is part of the skill-gap. There's a reason people go 20-0 in weekend league despite encountering people using "glitch plays" and "cheese"

this 1000%

xXLethalDose89Xx said:

This is my first year playing MUT, and while I'm a below average player at best, I see a lot of people complaining when plays work and get used over and over. They call it cheese. I suppose I understand the frustration of not being able to stop a particular play, but isn't that the end goal of football? To come up with a play no one can stop? I guess the Tush Push is "cheese" if the pros run a play that's effective over and over, what's wrong with doing it in Madden? ✌️

It's called cheese for 2 reasons. 

Firstly this is a game... the large majority of  people are not playing for any kind of money.  A game is supposed to be fun.  The NFL people are playing for careers. 

Second and more importantly,  most , if not all, of the "cheese" is not about what works but it's about exploiting the flawed gameplay logic and EA neglects to fix.  That's not football!! It's just exploiting the CPU for what? To win a few coins only to cheese even more.. No fun or challenge in that.

On another note regarding cheese, i've seen people do some pretty bush league things to win games.  I think MUt fuels people to troll in the game, as evident by the celebration animations that you can do and the fact that you can't report bad behavior or cheating

PBateman said:

I've never understood people losing their minds over "cheese" and "glitch plays". 
People who spend time and energy bitching about certain plays might as well just spend the same time figuring out how to stop them. There are countless streamers and content creators going over everything thats considered "meta".  Knowing and being able to identify what people run is part of the skill-gap. There's a reason people go 20-0 in weekend league despite encountering people using "glitch plays" and "cheese"

I don’t want to stop cheesy plays. I couln’t care less if you or someone wants to go 20-0. If that makes you happy by all means go for it. I just quit games early if it’s total nonsense like double pass, rpo etc. I will save my time that way and I then have time to bitch here. Everything you wrote tells me how broken this community is. Only enjoy is to win games and earn video game coins not the actual gameplay and fun.

Orkku said:

I don’t want to stop cheesy plays. I couln’t care less if you or someone wants to go 20-0. If that makes you happy by all means go for it. I just quit games early if it’s total nonsense like double pass, rpo etc. I will save my time that way and I then have time to bitch here. Everything you wrote tells me how broken this community is. Only enjoy is to win games and earn video game coins not the actual gameplay and fun.

"how broken this community" - its not that deep buddy. I dont judge you for playing the game the way you enjoy it but I dont get how people can get this frustrated over a video game. I myself use like 8 different formations every game and yes I will use RPO Y Flat if someone doesn't know how to stop it (which is easy) and I couldn't care less if that makes my opponent feel a certain type of way

If I’m playing seasons, or even champs, I typically run a close to sim offense. 
 

the problem is EA has out So many incentives on these temporary modes, that also require you to win a bunch in a row or you don’t get any real rewards. There is 0 chance I would go into a house rules game right now hoping to play sim. It’s just not gonna happen. If you go into that mode not running cheese, you are gonna get smacked. Simple as that. 
 

If awards for winning were better in seasons, champs, etc, I think while the cheese would still be in those modes, your games of constantly seeing it would be spread out more.

PBateman said:

"how broken this community" - its not that deep buddy. I dont judge you for playing the game the way you enjoy it but I dont get how people can get this frustrated over a video game. I myself use like 8 different formations every game and yes I will use RPO Y Flat if someone doesn't know how to stop it (which is easy) and I couldn't care less if that makes my opponent feel a certain type of way

I’m not frustrated about this game. More frustrated about comments ”why you don’t stop it”. Like said I quit most cheesy games  early game and sometimes even when I’m ahead and move on. I’m not frustrated about that. What frustrates me that people actually care more about winning at all cost rather than enjoying gameplay. This game would be so much better if player would slightly respect each others. I know that’s too much to ask since it’s only a video game.

It's because EA doesn't fix the garbage AI that allows it to exist in the first place. There's no "unstoppable play" in the NFL, and if you run the same thing every down opposing players would catch on— that doesn't exist in Madden.  The CPU should immediately shut down a play if it's being run repeatedly. 

The cheese isn't because people are good at the game, they're watching a YouTube video or TikTok and exploiting the bad AI. 

I want to play a game with some variety, not everyone doing the same shit.