91’s bought during Xmas crash

hulksmashr2 said:

I don't follow him, I get his a good guy. However if everyone is doing there's no profit to be had. It's supply and demand. There is so much supply not enough demand. Once EA drops the price floor, 91's will drop even more.

These are Legitimate concerns and statements. I do follow Buffalokaay and I think he does a good job producing a quality product that others/followers can easily learn to replicate while having some fun. I assume that’s his goal as well. I don’t actually know him either. This part is reinforcing a point that has already been made. So I apologize for being redundant here but I think it has merit and moving on. 

I decided not to invest in 91s for the same reason you did. I saw the numbers of 91s being sold during the Christmas crash and they made me uncomfortable. That article was certainly a part of that but If I’m being forthright they were not the only reason I decided to focus on short term stuff.

The more time I spend thinking about these 91s since my previous post this morning the more concerned I become with what you and others have brought up about price floors being lowered again. The legend release on Saturday didn’t help the supply issue. If it was me I would be consistently watching the prices and quantities sold on MUT GG. The binder leaderboard is something I use for things like this as well. It can be useful but you have to watch it regularly to get good data from it.

Don’t panic? 😱 Or is it disco time? 🪩

Odog123 said:

These are Legitimate concerns and statements. I do follow Buffalokaay and I think he does a good job producing a quality product that others/followers can easily learn to replicate while having some fun. I assume that’s his goal as well. I don’t actually know him either. This part is reinforcing a point that has already been made. So I apologize for being redundant here but I think it has merit and moving on. 

 

I decided not to invest in 91s for the same reason you did. I saw the numbers of 91s being sold during the Christmas crash and they made me uncomfortable. That article was certainly a part of that but If I’m being forthright they were not the only reason I decided to focus on short term stuff.

 

The more time I spend thinking about these 91s since my previous post this morning the more concerned I become with what you and others have brought up about price floors being lowered again. The legend release on Saturday didn’t help the supply issue. If it was me I would be consistently watching the prices and quantities sold on MUT GG. The binder leaderboard is something I use for things like this as well. It can be useful but you have to watch it regularly to get good data from it.

 

Don’t panic? 😱 Or is it disco time? 🪩

I'm not sure prices CAN tank anymore, can they?  I kind of took a step back during the holiday break, so just starting to ease back into the MUT cycle.  High end cards obviously still retain value, but everything else appears to be at or near the price floor, if i am not mistaken (4.0 Training Price)?

We JUST got our first regular 94 OVR cards, have to assume we'll spend at least the month of JAN hovering here, correct?  Or will Playoff / Superbowl content bump it up again to 95s?  Nobody really knows, I often wonder if EA has a clear schedule in mind, they just kind of figure it out as they go.

I don't spend a ton of time trying to learn or figure out the market movements -- anybody telling you that they can predict the future is essentially lying.  I don't doubt BuffaloKaay for even a second, he's legit trying to help everyone in the community.  And not charging a dime for it.  Excellent content.  However, my limited investment thesis surrounding MUT is more low volume / high margin.  I tend to only buy cards that I would want or use on my squad, unless there's something truly obvious.  Just feels greedy to turn this game into Wall Street Bets... but i'm also the type of pansy who feels bad or experiences pity when we get matched up with an unfair opponent and simply stomp them into the ground, especially when it's clearly newer players.  EA Matchmaking system never really worked all that well.  Haven't started this cycle of Ranked play yet, but last time I was getting random late-night opponents which CLEARLY were not in my tier.  Some dudes had 87-88 OVR cards, another guy mentioned he was only in Bronze tier (i was closing in on ~2900 RP at the time).

All that ranting and raving aside, i feel liek there should be at least some opportunity to build more 94 sets, whatever they may be.  EA hates investors and could actively screw the markets at any point.  YMMV, good luck.  Happy 2k25, peoples.

hulksmashr2 said:

I don't follow him, I get his a good guy. However if everyone is doing there's no profit to be had. It's supply and demand. There is so much supply not enough demand. Once EA drops the price floor, 91's will drop even more.

i think we could be overstating how much that article actually impacted the market. I am sure it made a difference, but the vast majority of MUT players don’t use this site . 

I think the bigger issue is still the ZC cards . how many of those 94 champions CH , legends are any better right now then any of the ZC 93’s with 0AP abilities . This week we get flooded with 94 TOTW , Playoff promo , FIF and more legends . Plus OAP expires on ZC . I think that will help drive the market on 91’s back up as demands to complete those sets increase and people start moving away from 93 ZC’s . 
 

I will stay patient and wait ..

This year cards seem to be overall cheaper! U have the select few that will be pricey.. yes. I've been noticing it's been cheaper to buy champions out right vs building them. I was buying 92s for the bare minimum. Hanging onto. Worst case. Decent training.

peatrick said:

I'm not sure prices CAN tank anymore, can they?  I kind of took a step back during the holiday break, so just starting to ease back into the MUT cycle.  High end cards obviously still retain value, but everything else appears to be at or near the price floor, if i am not mistaken (4.0 Training Price)?

We JUST got our first regular 94 OVR cards, have to assume we'll spend at least the month of JAN hovering here, correct?  Or will Playoff / Superbowl content bump it up again to 95s?  Nobody really knows, I often wonder if EA has a clear schedule in mind, they just kind of figure it out as they go.

I don't spend a ton of time trying to learn or figure out the market movements -- anybody telling you that they can predict the future is essentially lying.  I don't doubt BuffaloKaay for even a second, he's legit trying to help everyone in the community.  And not charging a dime for it.  Excellent content.  However, my limited investment thesis surrounding MUT is more low volume / high margin.  I tend to only buy cards that I would want or use on my squad, unless there's something truly obvious.  Just feels greedy to turn this game into Wall Street Bets... but i'm also the type of pansy who feels bad or experiences pity when we get matched up with an unfair opponent and simply stomp them into the ground, especially when it's clearly newer players.  EA Matchmaking system never really worked all that well.  Haven't started this cycle of Ranked play yet, but last time I was getting random late-night opponents which CLEARLY were not in my tier.  Some dudes had 87-88 OVR cards, another guy mentioned he was only in Bronze tier (i was closing in on ~2900 RP at the time).

All that ranting and raving aside, i feel liek there should be at least some opportunity to build more 94 sets, whatever they may be.  EA hates investors and could actively screw the markets at any point.  YMMV, good luck.  Happy 2k25, peoples.

With the match making. It's a difficult thing. I have a very solid team. However, my gameplay isn't that great. Even though I've played madden for 30 years. Lol. 

If there was a way to base games off of wins vs losses and also overalls at the same time. I myself don't play very many online games. Mostly bc I don't have the patience. Typically I win half the games I play.

 With those perfect run challenges. No way. I don't even try. Lol.

Jeremyscountry said:

With the match making. It's a difficult thing. I have a very solid team. However, my gameplay isn't that great. Even though I've played madden for 30 years. Lol. 

If there was a way to base games off of wins vs losses and also overalls at the same time. I myself don't play very many online games. Mostly bc I don't have the patience. Typically I win half the games I play.

 With those perfect run challenges. No way. I don't even try. Lol.

I'm with ya, i went 1-1 in the MUT Draft attempt during Xmas... i had a solid draft, thought i was mostly cooking, subbed in speedy WRs at corner and was ready to roll.  Then the second game happened and i KNEW this was going to be whoever touched the ball last and controlled the clock.  I never managed to touch the ball in the second half -- couple short quarters later and i was out.  Please try again.

BLEH, F that noise.  We spend so much time, money and resources scheming and building our teams, it's stupid that I can't use those to earn progress or rewards for whatever relevant Field Pass.  I did alright in the last cycle of Ranked play, which was just my second attempt with that... even with my shaky and often wildly inconsistent gameplay, especially on offense.  I'd say my ratio is roughly 2 wins per loss.  Maybe more, maybe less.

My team is above average, borderline quite good.  Played TONS of video game football, dating back to the late 80s or early 90s... but M23 was my first Ultimate Team experience.  I'm disappointed that i'm participating in pay to win game mechanics, but that's what it takes to field a competitive squad.

Truth5150 said:

Price floor will drop soon

Exactly.  Price floor for 91's is dropping to 43k.

When the ZC abilities/boosts go away, you're going to see two things happen - ZC set cards go to like ~200k and CH2 cards go up in price. Later that day, you get the Playoff promo and those set cards will sell for well over 450k when all players have a discounted bucket with 2-3 abilities in it. Additionally, there will be a TT or a stat boost during the Playoff promo to get people off the ZC cards and to buy packs.

The only reason that 91s remain floored out is because the catalyst hasn't come yet. I'm sitting on like 4 mill of 91s and still buying. They'll all be above 85k by Thurs AM when the Playoff promo is revealed. If the Playoff promo takes 5 random 91s for whatever reason, they'll be at 100k minimum.

doncoyleone said:

When the ZC abilities/boosts go away, you're going to see two things happen - ZC set cards go to like ~200k and CH2 cards go up in price. Later that day, you get the Playoff promo and those set cards will sell for well over 450k when all players have a discounted bucket with 2-3 abilities in it. Additionally, there will be a TT or a stat boost during the Playoff promo to get people off the ZC cards and to buy packs.

The only reason that 91s remain floored out is because the catalyst hasn't come yet. I'm sitting on like 4 mill of 91s and still buying. They'll all be above 85k by Thurs AM when the Playoff promo is revealed. If the Playoff promo takes 5 random 91s for whatever reason, they'll be at 100k minimum.

I’m sitting on 2M worth myself and agree with you 💯. However i think playoff promo will keep same format as other promos . Probably 3 or 4 playoff heroes and 1 or 2 random 91’s . But another opportunity to move the 91’s could be the TOTW sets . Those usually only require 1 TOTW card and 4 random 91’s . Thursday will definitely be the day we see . If they go to 85K I’ll be happy as I bought most between 65K to 70K

peatrick said:

I'm not sure prices CAN tank anymore, can they?  I kind of took a step back during the holiday break, so just starting to ease back into the MUT cycle.  High end cards obviously still retain value, but everything else appears to be at or near the price floor, if i am not mistaken (4.0 Training Price)?

We JUST got our first regular 94 OVR cards, have to assume we'll spend at least the month of JAN hovering here, correct?  Or will Playoff / Superbowl content bump it up again to 95s?  Nobody really knows, I often wonder if EA has a clear schedule in mind, they just kind of figure it out as they go.

I don't spend a ton of time trying to learn or figure out the market movements -- anybody telling you that they can predict the future is essentially lying.  I don't doubt BuffaloKaay for even a second, he's legit trying to help everyone in the community.  And not charging a dime for it.  Excellent content.  However, my limited investment thesis surrounding MUT is more low volume / high margin.  I tend to only buy cards that I would want or use on my squad, unless there's something truly obvious.  Just feels greedy to turn this game into Wall Street Bets... but i'm also the type of pansy who feels bad or experiences pity when we get matched up with an unfair opponent and simply stomp them into the ground, especially when it's clearly newer players.  EA Matchmaking system never really worked all that well.  Haven't started this cycle of Ranked play yet, but last time I was getting random late-night opponents which CLEARLY were not in my tier.  Some dudes had 87-88 OVR cards, another guy mentioned he was only in Bronze tier (i was closing in on ~2900 RP at the time).

All that ranting and raving aside, i feel liek there should be at least some opportunity to build more 94 sets, whatever they may be.  EA hates investors and could actively screw the markets at any point.  YMMV, good luck.  Happy 2k25, peoples.

min auction amounts went down, training floor is now like 2.75 or whatnot so prices will get lower unless we get a few plat offers at this point

Too many investors who will flood the market at the first sign of prices going up and undercut each other which will keep prices down…..91’s are cooked.

heheheheexd said:

min auction amounts went down, training floor is now like 2.75 or whatnot so prices will get lower unless we get a few plat offers at this point

This right here. I don’t recall manipulation of price floors, etc., in the AH in prior Maddens. Obvious why it’s being done, and likely only the current step in a planned-out series of steps. Killing an aspect of the game that was fun for many of us. The game — I thought, could be wrong — was intended to be fun for people who wanted to play it a different way than just playing the game mode, on field.

heheheheexd said:

min auction amounts went down, training floor is now like 2.75 or whatnot so prices will get lower unless we get a few plat offers at this point

Whoa, thank you. Clearly I had missed that, I thought Training price floor was 4.0 dang. Appreciate the heads up.

I had a feeling. Yesterday I went and bought some near minimum, and in the end, I still could have gotten them cheaper.

At least I only bought some.