Pay 2 win

DoomJaw said:

The fact you can pay money to have an advantage over others  = Pay to Win.

An example:

Player A has 15 hrs in game = 70 ovr team
Player B has 15 hrs in game + spent $400 = 94 ovr team

Player B has an advantage over Player A because they spent money.

Pay2Win

"Pay-to-win (P2W) is when players can buy in-game items or advantages with real-world currency to gain an edge over others. Learn how P2W games use dark patterns, in-game currencies, and convenience purchases to exploit players."

Yea your crazy. You can obtain cards just by grinding. Hell they might be bnd but you can win without dropping them. People can win with a lesser team just off gameplay alone. People drop real money on here and they still can’t win. And unless they started just now when we are already months in there is no way the ovr can be that far apart.

DoomJaw said:

The fact you can pay money to have an advantage over others  = Pay to Win.

An example:

Player A has 15 hrs in game = 70 ovr team
Player B has 15 hrs in game + spent $400 = 94 ovr team

Player B has an advantage over Player A because they spent money.

Pay2Win

"Pay-to-win (P2W) is when players can buy in-game items or advantages with real-world currency to gain an edge over others. Learn how P2W games use dark patterns, in-game currencies, and convenience purchases to exploit players."

That could be said for most sports games. Hell, a lot of games, period. 

Ultimate teams aren't for casuals. It's for the die-hard fans, of which there are two types: Grinders, and Buyers... Either way you're gonna spend something... 

It's either Time... Grinding everything, Auction House, presents, etc...

Or it's Money, and you're ripping bundles to stay up to date... 

And if you don't spend one, or the other, you're getting left in the dust. (What OP is actually complaining about) 

NMS people NEED money spenders... It's how certain cards become more easily obtainable.

1V1king said:

I don’t understand what blitzing people to death has to do with how much money is spent. I haven’t spent any money outside of purchasing the game and I’ve won pretty much every h2h reward…. Taysom Hill, Jaycee Hornx2 from most feared Calen Bullock x2 from breakouts, and now Donald Parham x2 for Zero Chill. 

I’ve been running the same scheme on offense and defense. H2h events, especially when they cut them to half games are always going to have a lot of blitzing. It’s how you force quits early. One possession down in the 2nd half and you have to hope bonus points from a long TD bring you back in. Most people quit as soon as they go down a possession. I send 6-7 every single play. I’m not going to sit back and let people manipulate zones with route combos. Send the house and make them make quick reads.

I mean congrats? You a pro? 😂 also I’m not saying blitzing means they paid 2 win but you can’t tell the difference between a skilled player a person who just looks up cheats/broken plays while paying 2 have the best players. Like I said I’m just complaining alright 😂

spanky1407 said:

Kos are not good at actually knocking the ball out the main reason they are used is for the better reaction time. And if your crying about throwing incomplete passes to kos then you're obviously not throwing to open players.

It just gets annoying that’s all that’s why I said I’m just complaining. Not like I can’t move the ball just sometimes I feel like I throw a dot and it’s KOd got it? 😂

NJJETS9 said:

“Pay to win” is a cop out bad players use. Iv’e made like 15 million coins just winning events and now can afford all the best players. Average teams with decent schemes still go score for score with the best teams. 87 overall tight ends are out running 98 overall corner backs. Certain routes are just programed to beat certain coverages. Half the plays in this game stats don’t even seem to matter its all just random. Plus EAs been giving us great free cards all year and most get all team chems.

You must be a pro huh? You play the game for a living or what? Teach me o wise one or respectfully do you look up the “best ways to beat this play” or “best defense in madden” 😂 do you play any other games?

ApolloZ said:

Yea your crazy. You can obtain cards just by grinding. Hell they might be bnd but you can win without dropping them. People can win with a lesser team just off gameplay alone. People drop real money on here and they still can’t win. And unless they started just now when we are already months in there is no way the ovr can be that far apart.

p2w doesnt matter yet EVERY SINGLE COMP PLAYER pays for cards....WHY? because they know if they dont then their opponents have a HUGE advantage especially with the abilities and ability discounts. yes good players will win against bad players but good luck logging in with a bad team going up against a money team with 0 AP frozen abilities at every single position

AJMONEY said:

There literally is no pay 2 win in this game, which makes it even dumber the morons who blow hundreds and thousands on this game.

The issues you listed have absolutely nothing to do with pay 2 win as well. Yes the glitches are super lame, but nms teams run the exact same blitzes.

Your ego wants to blame anything but the skill gap between you and your opponent.

This game is the least pay 2 win game. The difference between a all money spent team and a no money spent team is like 2% at the absolute very most. Truthfully less more often.

Facts 💯

bbrewer23goblue said:

p2w doesnt matter yet EVERY SINGLE COMP PLAYER pays for cards....WHY? because they know if they dont then their opponents have a HUGE advantage especially with the abilities and ability discounts. yes good players will win against bad players but good luck logging in with a bad team going up against a money team with 0 AP frozen abilities at every single position

This argument is weird... They're COMP players.. It's literally their JOB. Their livelihood is riding on the games they play, of course they're gonna want the best players across the board. 

That would be like telling a Racer to not buy the best parts for their car to get more horsepower. You gonna go up to them after the race and tell them they're P2W? No, because that's expected. 

You don't have to spend money in this game to be competitive. Period. But, it will take your time. 

Madden is very NMS friendly. I play 2K every other year or so, and if you don't buy packs there, you don't get certain cards.. as they're like 5mil+ on the AH. (Coins are also way harder to get in that game) Wemby's your favorite player? Oh, you better pull him, otherwise you're not touching his highest overall card.. Madden isn't like that, all cards can be afforded by just grinding the game. 

The gap between Money spent and NMS, in Madden, is probably the least out of any Ultimate Team sports game.

Itsfrenchieee said:

I mean congrats? You a pro? 😂 also I’m not saying blitzing means they paid 2 win but you can’t tell the difference between a skilled player a person who just looks up cheats/broken plays while paying 2 have the best players. Like I said I’m just complaining alright 😂

No, not even close to a pro lol my point was that I’ve won every h2h event reward with using mostly free cards from the season and event at the time. With how many free 32 theme chem cards there are, no reason you can’t have 50/60 and 20 ZC with no money spent. 

You can definitely tell the difference man. These guys that look up schemes on YouTube all come out in the same stuff. Offense they mostly Jags PB and everything is gun bunch something. Defense is either heavy blitzing out of double mug or lop blitzing out of 3-2. Good players adjust, people that pay for their team and aren’t skilled stay in the same thing no matter how much it isn’t effective.

ApolloZ said:

Yea your crazy. You can obtain cards just by grinding. Hell they might be bnd but you can win without dropping them. People can win with a lesser team just off gameplay alone. People drop real money on here and they still can’t win. And unless they started just now when we are already months in there is no way the ovr can be that far apart.

Buddy didnt do too well in class.....

Itsfrenchieee said:

I guess I’m just complaining but it’s sad how many people have to pay 2 win just to be good at the game. Can barley do the H2H event without getting blitzed to death or incomplete passes due to KOs

Lol hows that paying to win? Slide your protection max protect do something to block the blitz make quick reads. KOs dont always activate but I understand your frustration are you not using KOs yourself especially when its currently 0 Ap

glasscitytitan said:

Lol hows that paying to win? Slide your protection max protect do something to block the blitz make quick reads. KOs dont always activate but I understand your frustration are you not using KOs yourself especially when its currently 0 Ap

P2W doesnt mean the only way to win is by paying.

bbrewer23goblue said:

p2w doesnt matter yet EVERY SINGLE COMP PLAYER pays for cards....WHY? because they know if they dont then their opponents have a HUGE advantage especially with the abilities and ability discounts. yes good players will win against bad players but good luck logging in with a bad team going up against a money team with 0 AP frozen abilities at every single position

Everyone gets those free abilities. They gave out multiple free cards that can get free abilities for the season pass. At this point in the game you shouldn’t have a bad team unless you can’t win or don’t play enough.

DoomJaw said:

Buddy didnt do too well in class.....

Now you are just talking to talk.