Coins Wipes for Distribution

Edit to my last post, he should not be banned for selling Barkley for 2 million, not should.

phatalerror said:

Chargeback.

Thanks, this is actually motivating. I have one account I share with one of my sons that plays football and enjoys the H2H competition of Madden. I do more of the solos and manage the team and roster. So I screwed this up for him too which sucks. I appreciate the feedback.

EA is ridiculous. Heaven forbid we make some coins for a little hard work.  Very sad!

If you are using the auction house within the TOS, then there should be no bans... period.  To argue otherwise is tantamount to defending EA and their lazy, predatory practices.

If I snipe a Saquon for 600k... I should absolutely be able to re-auction it for whatever price the market will bear.  I don't care if that represents a 15% profit or a 2000% profit.

EA just wants to be lazy and have a brainless autoban bot - with no real mechanism for pleading your case.  If this happened to me, I would 100% chargeback every penny I spent on the game (including the purchase price).  If that meant I would never be able to play Madden again... or any EA title again... it would be a blessing.

This is a garbage company who doesn't care about their customers.

phatalerror said:

I don't see why the legitimate use of the Auction House (legitimate meaning both, 1) Complying with Terms of Use, and, 2) Not utilizing pricing meant to deceive dyslexic users) should ever qualify as wrong. If you post an item when demand outstrips supply, you should expect a good return.

100% this. The community should never just settle with "the AH bots will ban you, so don't use the AH to make coins legitimately"  or  "AH bots will ban you for selling cards when demand spikes prices" or "AH bots will ban you for catching a great snipe" etc. That is just bad business on EA's part. The current coin buying/selling detection system is broken when it is penalizing normal market fluctuations.

Ducati0307 said:

If you are using the auction house within the TOS, then there should be no bans... period.  To argue otherwise is tantamount to defending EA and their lazy, predatory practices.

If I snipe a Saquon for 600k... I should absolutely be able to re-auction it for whatever price the market will bear.  I don't care if that represents a 15% profit or a 2000% profit.

EA just wants to be lazy and have a brainless autoban bot - with no real mechanism for pleading your case.  If this happened to me, I would 100% chargeback every penny I spent on the game (including the purchase price).  If that meant I would never be able to play Madden again... or any EA title again... it would be a blessing.

This is a garbage company who doesn't care about their customers.

Well said!

Terms of Suffering….

The game is so cooked I’m honestly surprised there’s so many bootlickers defending bans. This community went so soft. 

OP, I hope you chargeback your credit card and find peace outside of madden.

phatalerror said:

I don't see why the legitimate use of the Auction House (legitimate meaning both, 1) Complying with Terms of Use, and, 2) Not utilizing pricing meant to deceive dyslexic users) should ever qualify as wrong. If you post an item when demand outstrips supply, you should expect a good return.

Is it wrong that EA coin wipes people for doing this? YES absolutely 

Should I feel bad for people that did it knowing that there could be consequences to their actions? Nope

Does that make me the problem? Definitely not

DWTM22 said:

Thanks, this is actually motivating. I have one account I share with one of my sons that plays football and enjoys the H2H competition of Madden. I do more of the solos and manage the team and roster. So I screwed this up for him too which sucks. I appreciate the feedback.

Yeah, if the purchases are tied to other online accounts, that can definitely mess things up for others.

But you didn't screw it up for your son. It's a bad broad-strokes algorithm that punishes gamers on false-positive transaction identifications. If you're acting within the Terms of Use, there is never a circumstance where you should act within the boundaries of those rules and fear censure. This is EA's fault.

Disputing with EA is a headache and time-consuming, but it's your best bet given the money spent and the related issues.

TheNickSix said:

Is it wrong that EA coin wipes people for doing this? YES absolutely 

Should I feel bad for people that did it knowing that there could be consequences to their actions? Nope

Does that make me the problem? Definitely not

While you have no power to fix anything for a false-positive victim, arguing that there are unspoken rules for what is legitimate is positively ridiculous. Terms of Use documents aren't guidelines or suggestions; they're a legally enforceable document that implies that if a consumer follows the rules, they will enjoy the full benefits of the program.

One of these days, a bot ban is going to hit a guy who's got the requisite resources and sufficient indignation to go after EA with a legal argument and a preponderance of evidence that will pierce EA's indemnity clauses and hold EA accountable for lost use of product due to irresponsible policies known by EA to false-flag users. EA has the right to automate a process that protects their economic interests in connection with Madden microtransactions, but the lack of any actual human review or intervention leaves EA in a dubious legal position.

it’s a tough one. i got banned a few years ago for supposedly coin distributing as well, I’m just extra cautious now on how much i sell a card for, always check the median price on mut.gg before selling 

i was very nervous selling my antonio cromati for 2.2m when the event first came out, cannot lie lol. was so scared he’d drop down to 1m within a day and i’d be banned

phatalerror said:

While you have no power to fix anything for a false-positive victim, arguing that there are unspoken rules for what is legitimate is positively ridiculous. Terms of Use documents aren't guidelines or suggestions; they're a legally enforceable document that implies that if a consumer follows the rules, they will enjoy the full benefits of the program.

One of these days, a bot ban is going to hit a guy who's got the requisite resources and sufficient indignation to go after EA with a legal argument and a preponderance of evidence that will pierce EA's indemnity clauses and hold EA accountable for lost use of product due to irresponsible policies known by EA to false-flag users. EA has the right to automate a process that protects their economic interests in connection with Madden microtransactions, but the lack of any actual human review or intervention leaves EA in a dubious legal position.

All i'm saying is, if you know it could trigger a coin wipe, why are you even risking it?

TheNickSix said:

All i'm saying is, if you know it could trigger a coin wipe, why are you even risking it?

You can’t know, because you can’t know what the market will do that will turn an obvious supply-and-demand opportunity into a disaster. It is inferred from the many inappropriate bans that the goalposts can move very suddenly on this. Users get caught in waves during days of massive volume (when Presents and Eggs are opened).

I get having a ‘sense’ of what might be ‘risky’, but what informs that sense in that case? Because it quite obviously has more to do with what others are doing collectively than what you’re doing on a handful of transactions.

These guys aren’t getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar. They earned their cookie, did what they wanted with it according to the rules, and got slapped upside the head and then grounded by Mama Bot.

TheNickSix said:

At this point there is so much info on twitter, these forums, youtube about these auto ban bots hitting people. It's hard to have sympathy for people trying to markup any random cards for a 10k+ profit. Anything over 15% markup of average median seems to be enough for an auto ban bot to get you. I hope everyone can learn from others mistakes instead of learning the hard way like this. Sorry they essentially stole your money, I hope if you go through the appeal process that you can get your coins back.

COMPLETELY disagree!  You shouldn't have to be covering every level and source of Madden to play the auction house within their defined parameters.  Many don't parous these forums or venture out their gaming habits to social media.  It's a video game and they played by the rules.  Just because they don't play like an addict and do more research does not warrant punishment, much less sympathy; you heartless soul.