Shouldn’t stat thresholds just be what “unlocks” abilities?

Like if a defensive player has X zone coverage, and Z play rec, those two things together is automatically lurk artist..or something like that.  Or if a WR has 90+ or whatever short route running, that’s just automatically the same thing as  short elite, and maybe 90+ all route running plus acceleration or something is route tech…stuff like that. Ya know?

It would make trying to boost stats worth it, and get rid of the worst part of the game (abilities). 

I know nobody cares when people announce they’re not getting the next game, but I really don’t have any desire to play again unless they come kind of overhaul like that. It’s gotten too far past the point of tolerable.

WoodyWoody said:

Like if a defensive player has X zone coverage, and Z play rec, those two things together is automatically lurk artist..or something like that.  Or if a WR has 90+ or whatever short route running, that’s just automatically the same thing as  short elite, and maybe 90+ all route running plus acceleration or something is route tech…stuff like that. Ya know?

It would make trying to boost stats worth it, and get rid of the worst part of the game (abilities). 

I know nobody cares when people announce they’re not getting the next game, but I really don’t have any desire to play again unless they come kind of overhaul like that. It’s gotten too far past the point of tolerable.

Ultimately, what you describe is the means and not the end. And technically, you are outlining exactly what EA does with regard to abilities, with the only differences being that abilities must be 'equipped', and modifiers don't unlock abilities. While this is an irritant to some, altering the means here won't fix the game.

People don't like Avalanche everywhere because 14 fumbles in a game isn't realistic, nor is having to dive to the turf after nearly every catch to prevent the mechanic that causes fumbles. People don't like KO abilities everywhere, because 29 KO's a game isn't realistic, nor is going to the ground with every reception (which, incidentally, results in a catch in almost every case, also highly unrealistic). People don't like being hamstrung in head-to-head matchups because they spent 20 million fewer coins on their lineup, and so they don't have the game-breaking abilities their opponent has. In short, abilities influence too greatly the gameplay mechanics. Adjusting the means doesn't fix this. Adjusting the impact of the abilities themselves does.

phatalerror said:

Ultimately, what you describe is the means and not the end. And technically, you are outlining exactly what EA does with regard to abilities, with the only differences being that abilities must be 'equipped', and modifiers don't unlock abilities. While this is an irritant to some, altering the means here won't fix the game.

People don't like Avalanche everywhere because 14 fumbles in a game isn't realistic, nor is having to dive to the turf after nearly every catch to prevent the mechanic that causes fumbles. People don't like KO abilities everywhere, because 29 KO's a game isn't realistic, nor is going to the ground with every reception (which, incidentally, results in a catch in almost every case, also highly unrealistic). People don't like being hamstrung in head-to-head matchups because they spent 20 million fewer coins on their lineup, and so they don't have the game-breaking abilities their opponent has. In short, abilities influence too greatly the gameplay mechanics. Adjusting the means doesn't fix this. Adjusting the impact of the abilities themselves does.

Yeah, I guess I really didn’t do a great job of fully expressing my point. 

I’m with you 100%, and abilities like avalanche shouldn’t really exist imo, it should just be higher chance of fumble depending on hit power and ball carrying, and the zone KOs are the most frustrating part of the game. 
 

It really needs to go back to how it used to be. They “fixed” a problem that didn’t exist and only made it worse. Players stats should be what matter and dictate play, nothing else.

I am all for a Madden game that takes strategy and team building into account more. I do believe for example choosing which strategy items boost what on players should unlock certain things if it passes a certain threshold. So if you use a strat item to boost your cornerbacks to unlock benchpress that would be great but if you choose another strat to boost your linebackers then perhaps that would unlock lurk artist on them. Things like that being integrated into the game would add more variety in my opinion.

RedIsNotBlue said:

I am all for a Madden game that takes strategy and team building into account more. I do believe for example choosing which strategy items boost what on players should unlock certain things if it passes a certain threshold. So if you use a strat item to boost your cornerbacks to unlock benchpress that would be great but if you choose another strat to boost your linebackers then perhaps that would unlock lurk artist on them. Things like that being integrated into the game would add more variety in my opinion.

exactly its like their leaving meat on the bone