Which is better on OLineman - Vanguard or Nasty Streak

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I know in every other year, it was obviously Vanguard, but VG appears to be nerfed this year - after it was way too overpowered last year

Obviously, if you can get Vanguard on a WR or TE, you shoud take it - since I dont think you get Nasty Streak on WR/TE - need honorary lineman instead

Vanguard Description - nearly guaranteed dominant impact block wins.

In my opinion, this is very suspect to RNG and EA will decide if they want to give you a pancake - but it is def not guaranteed

It also have the change to pancake DLineman

Nasty Streak Description - Blockers with this ability will frequently attempt and win impact blocks against linebackers and defensive backs when playing as a lineman

Seems like another ability suspect to RNG and EA will decide if they want to give you a pancake - but it is def not guaranteed - and only works against LB/DB - not DLineman

So in Summary - Vanguard still seems better?

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On linemen if they're not equal in ap costs I prefer nasty streak over vanguard. This is because both only activate on impact blocks which is going to happen on second level and will usually be a db or lb anyway.

Once vanguard is free on o line I will use that because why not.

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Moderator Sevein131 said:

On linemen if they're not equal in ap costs I prefer nasty streak over vanguard. This is because both only activate on impact blocks which is going to happen on second level and will usually be a db or lb anyway.

Once vanguard is free on o line I will use that because why not.

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Moderator Sevein131 said:

On linemen if they're not equal in ap costs I prefer nasty streak over vanguard. This is because both only activate on impact blocks which is going to happen on second level and will usually be a db or lb anyway.

Once vanguard is free on o line I will use that because why not.

I agree with this. Most teams should be able to have NS on all your linemen for 0ap. I do believe you get more pancakes with vanguard but not worth for the ap right now. Ideally I would want vanguard on my center and FB. No center or FB for 0-1 ap at the moment.😢

I guess there is oop option for linemen for 1. My bad.

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dphins said:

I agree with this. Most teams should be able to have NS on all your linemen for 0ap. I do believe you get more pancakes with vanguard but not worth for the ap right now. Ideally I would want vanguard on my center and FB. No center or FB for 0-1 ap at the moment.😢

I guess there is oop option for linemen for 1. My bad.

UL C Stephenson gets Vanguard for 1ap, Secure Protector for free..

Also fullback Jim Taylor gets secure protector for 1 ap

By description, Vanguard is built for the run game

Nasty streak is strictly dbs and tes. Vanguard is everybody.

Vanguard if you're run heavy, secure protector still absolutely necessary for passing situàtions

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jimshredder said:

I know in every other year, it was obviously Vanguard, but VG appears to be nerfed this year - after it was way too overpowered last year

Obviously, if you can get Vanguard on a WR or TE, you shoud take it - since I dont think you get Nasty Streak on WR/TE - need honorary lineman instead

Vanguard Description - nearly guaranteed dominant impact block wins.

In my opinion, this is very suspect to RNG and EA will decide if they want to give you a pancake - but it is def not guaranteed

It also have the change to pancake DLineman

Nasty Streak Description - Blockers with this ability will frequently attempt and win impact blocks against linebackers and defensive backs when playing as a lineman

Seems like another ability suspect to RNG and EA will decide if they want to give you a pancake - but it is def not guaranteed - and only works against LB/DB - not DLineman

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So in Summary - Vanguard still seems better?

Great post / question. For me, personally... i'm not trying to spend even 1AP on my O-line. If/when Vanguard comes, and is free... then i'll go back to it. I ran four Vanguards (both OGs, TE Vernon & WR Munoz) and was not particularly impressed. It did not dramatically improve my run game, i couldn't tell a difference (may have even been worse) than just straight Nasty Streak across my entire O-line. YMMV, but doubtful. The community tends to over-hype these classic abilities and we're all catching up to the fact that the majority of them have been nerfed to hell.

@Madxsaint you may find this thread of particular interest.

I am very close to having an end-game O-line, with the following ability stack; Secure Protector, All Day, Nasty Streak, Post Up (on everyone except the Center) and Natural Talent. Only missing Vanguard, but for 1AP, meh.

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