4 Bottlenecks

joemainey said:

So far, I have tried an entire team with Avalanches.... Derrick Henry was bouncing off every tackle. Will try again once ES becomes more available. 

Tried 5 Universal Coverages. Good, but not as good as previous years.

Tried 4 reinforcements. Had a lot of fun running this stack. Played a few ranked games and Boz, Coop, and Budda were getting after it. Really liked it.

My question now is, would 4 bottlenecks be viable? I know Double me/YAC/RAC beats it, but sometimes I see the DBs bully the WRs to the ground. Wanted to see if anyone tried it with Mitchell, Pat Pete, Herb and Jaylen yet.

yac em up doesnt beat it. double me, rac em up, and max security are the only ones that do

joemainey said:

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'll still try it out in my champs games today and put Herb & Watson in the slot. Will report back later with feedback.

Hey bud, did you try it out? How'd it go?

I'm curious how it went, too. So far Pat Pete and Mitchell are very underwhelming with their "dominant" presses. I have used it sparingly and seemingly in appropriate situations, too. My Pat Pete was getting absolutely roasted by Julio in a few games yesterday, so ig we know who wins in a Double Me VS Bottleneck fight atm. And before anyone mentions how dumb of an idea it is to press Julio- yes, I was trying it for research purposes.

Khoale37 said:

Hey bud, did you try it out? How'd it go?

Hey! So my experience went like this:

4 games as sample size: 

First game, I pretty much sat in 6-1 Sam blitz, and mid blitz all game. Pressed, shaded down and inside and let the boys work. My first opponent didn't have any double Mes at WR. That game ended pretty quickly. 

Second game, same scheme. My opponent had megatron and Julio. Julio was able to beat bottleneck pretty easy. Gave up a bomb. Switched to 2 man under and the poor guy was clueless after that. 

Third and fourth game, played some sweats. They used a lot of motions, zigs, wheels, etc with Julio. Bottleneck was pretty much nonexistent this game. Universal coverage worked about 50% of the time.

The best success I had with bottleneck was user pressing in the slot! For some odd reason, a CB with high press will press the WR to the dirt on some plays. 

Other than that, I sat in 2 man under and was forced to send 2-3 because a lot of routes were open. Will test it out some more tonight. Maybe it will be better once we get better corners? If anyone else experimented with 4 bottlenecks, I would love to hear about it. I feel like you have to mix in man with zone this year. It truly becomes a chess match. Just my 2 cents. Hope this was helpful.

Bottleneck is useless verse receivers like Julio and Calvin, all new receivers coming out will torch it. It works better if you manually press, but you obviously don't want to do that all game.

joemainey said:

Hey! So my experience went like this:

4 games as sample size: 

First game, I pretty much sat in 6-1 Sam blitz, and mid blitz all game. Pressed, shaded down and inside and let the boys work. My first opponent didn't have any double Mes at WR. That game ended pretty quickly. 

Second game, same scheme. My opponent had megatron and Julio. Julio was able to beat bottleneck pretty easy. Gave up a bomb. Switched to 2 man under and the poor guy was clueless after that. 

Third and fourth game, played some sweats. They used a lot of motions, zigs, wheels, etc with Julio. Bottleneck was pretty much nonexistent this game. Universal coverage worked about 50% of the time.

The best success I had with bottleneck was user pressing in the slot! For some odd reason, a CB with high press will press the WR to the dirt on some plays. 

Other than that, I sat in 2 man under and was forced to send 2-3 because a lot of routes were open. Will test it out some more tonight. Maybe it will be better once we get better corners? If anyone else experimented with 4 bottlenecks, I would love to hear about it. I feel like you have to mix in man with zone this year. It truly becomes a chess match. Just my 2 cents. Hope this was helpful.

Thanks bro. I took a stab at this myself using your setup and Quinyon seemed to do OK but Pat Pete kept getting sauced for me. Skill issue I guess 😂. Thanks for the intel!

I  run universal coverages on all dbs and couple colossus ! working fine

joemainey said:

So far, I have tried an entire team with Avalanches.... Derrick Henry was bouncing off every tackle. Will try again once ES becomes more available. 

Tried 5 Universal Coverages. Good, but not as good as previous years.

Tried 4 reinforcements. Had a lot of fun running this stack. Played a few ranked games and Boz, Coop, and Budda were getting after it. Really liked it.

My question now is, would 4 bottlenecks be viable? I know Double me/YAC/RAC beats it, but sometimes I see the DBs bully the WRs to the ground. Wanted to see if anyone tried it with Mitchell, Pat Pete, Herb and Jaylen yet.

lol just go watch a DYL video

OvOSzn said:

lol just go watch a DYL video

Dyl is good stuff, but seems he's more into CFB these days? I used to rely on him for new card content, but he hasn't been keeping pace. Although after M23, M24 & M25, I'm fairly confident reviewing my own cards. 

But it's a lot of information to process and digest, I never would have discovered the AR15 Inside + Sideline combo on my own. Thanks to ZAN for that one, or whoever forwarded me the great info. STUPID overpowered. Four Bottlenecks, not so much. I kept thinking we'd eventually see that Man Press meta, but EA ensured we could beat it before it ever materialized.

Calvin stays in my starting lineup for that very reason. Julio and Too Tall also difficult to press. 💪

EDIT: for anyone wondering, this is the video: https://youtu.be/E0fIZQIgVUU

Here's my setup-

50 team chems-max awareness and speed,  strength.

I have Dynamic Def front strategy

ROH in hybrid increasing acc strng man and zone(as well as catching and carrying) 

2 pwr,finesse and bsh

All lineman are elite pashrushers but having run stopping abilities.

both MLBs have run stopping abilities and midzone kos.

rolb has run stopping abilities and some passing abilities including midzone ko

lolb is Peppers who is tall and has great passing abilities with mid zone ko.

absolutely elite secondary,  branch and kerby, CD3 and Pat Pete. Branch plays sub and megatron is the third safety when applicable. I use bottleneck with PP who is my 1 as most ppl cross left to right. He gets my TT boosts for speed and everything. 

when I can fit it in I use on the ball if it's free to bring my safeties up quicker against the run.

I usually start in 4-4 if I'm suspect I'm not gonna get burnt right off the bat. I hit Y and A to see the names of the receivers to see if I'm playing super elite receivers.

if they are pass happy I switch to nickel and zone blitz occasionally.

if they are run happy I generally stay in 4-4 occasionally bringing a zone blitz.

I'll use dime and occasionally go to base defenses when I need to change it up. 

I rarely man blitz. with 99 speed everywhere is inevitable I'll get torched pretty quickly. 

I suck at offense working on that. 

Defense is very rare someone has there way with me. I'll allow some run and wait for you to pass. What really sucks is when you are going against someone who has a top tier line and Derrick Henry or Jeanty and they just run until you decide to completely shut it down than they burn you the minute you switch to anything less than nickel for DBs.

Those sweats are tough. Less than 5 times had anyone effectively done that to me, never since I've gotten my line to what it is now. 

99 Aiden, 99 Sweat 98(9) alim, 98(9)freeney starting. 

95(7)peppers 95(7) onzwurike 98(9) tyliek and idr bench. 

MLB 99edgerrin and 98(9) keuchly

LOLB Peppers ROLB Anzalone Branch at Sub

The end result is an INSANE pash rush and lethal pass coverage with a very effective run stopping defense when I call it right.

I think soley relying on abilities neglects how effective other factors are. It helps me that I have such an overpowered TT with every chem I can cram in. Yes abilities are critical at this point but there's alot more you can gain from maxing chems and attributes along with it.

peatrick said:

Dyl is good stuff, but seems he's more into CFB these days? I used to rely on him for new card content, but he hasn't been keeping pace. Although after M23, M24 & M25, I'm fairly confident reviewing my own cards. 

But it's a lot of information to process and digest, I never would have discovered the AR15 Inside + Sideline combo on my own. Thanks to ZAN for that one, or whoever forwarded me the great info. STUPID overpowered. Four Bottlenecks, not so much. I kept thinking we'd eventually see that Man Press meta, but EA ensured we could beat it before it ever materialized.

Calvin stays in my starting lineup for that very reason. Julio and Too Tall also difficult to press. 💪

EDIT: for anyone wondering, this is the video: https://youtu.be/E0fIZQIgVUU

What’s the AR15 inside + sideline combo ?

OvOSzn said:

What’s the AR15 inside + sideline combo ?

Here.

peatrick said:

Here.

Are you still running AR15 with inside and sideline or did you make the switch to Cam Ward ?