That "mindreader" especially starting on, has to go.

I played a guy who had mind reader activated 3 times consecutively even after deactivating it with gaining 30+ yds. He reactivated after 1 play of it being off. Didnt cause any fumbles either. Thought it was selfless xfactor but even then when i tried to use selfless it never worked. I personally dont use mind reader xf. It really isnt hard to play against it. most of the people that i've played still gave up tds, big gains, etc.

I put mind reader on just so people quit faster.   The run mode is about the rewards, the faster I can grind it the better.   Getting a super bowl win with 4 games of 4 downs and quit is the most efficient way.

Moderator Sevein131 said:

I put mind reader on just so people quit faster.   The run mode is about the rewards, the faster I can grind it the better.   Getting a super bowl win with 4 games of 4 downs and quit is the most efficient way.

Sickening

phatalerror said:

Sickening

Agreed.   It's bad game design that encourages this mindset.

Moderator Sevein131 said:

Agreed.   It's bad game design that encourages this mindset.

But you make the community worse. Pathetic, classless justification.

It's not personal. It's just a hideous philosophy that further poisons the well, and I hate that I'm still battling for my final run after being one game out and dealing with cheap crap.

I mean it only really helps on run plays cause u can just run meshes and and check downs they can't gaurd everything with there user

phatalerror said:

But you make the community worse. Pathetic, classless justification.

It's not personal. It's just a hideous philosophy that further poisons the well, and I hate that I'm still battling for my final run after being one game out and dealing with cheap crap.

Eh, it's a video game.  Hard to judge someone based on that so no worries,  nothing you, a stranger on the internet,  say would ever be taken personally.   I don't have a lot of time to play so I'm trying to be efficient with my time to grind since I'm unwilling to spend money in game. 

I don't need mind reader to beat most people but having it activated demoralizes people to quit after their first drive fails, so I'm all for it. 

There's literally no difference to me stopping someone first drive without mind reader  vs with mind reader other than for some reason the lit up ability makes them quit sooner so I use it.

Moderator Sevein131 said:

Eh, it's a video game.  Hard to judge someone based on that so no worries,  nothing you, a stranger on the internet,  say would ever be taken personally.   I don't have a lot of time to play so I'm trying to be efficient with my time to grind since I'm unwilling to spend money in game. 

I don't need mind reader to beat most people but having it activated demoralizes people to quit after their first drive fails, so I'm all for it. 

There's literally no difference to me stopping someone first drive without mind reader  vs with mind reader other than for some reason the lit up ability makes them quit sooner so I use it.

Obviously no difference to you. That's why you do it. Doesn't make it right.

"It's a video game."

I guess all sorts of cheating is fine, too. Tax time's coming up. There's another opportunity for everyone.

Sorry, if ethics don't belong in games, then cheating at dice, cheating at cards, cheating at any game means nothing. And in a world where strangers on the Internet are immune to prosecution for cheating, well, here we are.

I didn't need Mind Reader to demoralize me. I read this apology for cheating.

phatalerror said:

Obviously no difference to you. That's why you do it. Doesn't make it right.

"It's a video game."

I guess all sorts of cheating is fine, too. Tax time's coming up. There's another opportunity for everyone.

Sorry, if ethics don't belong in games, then cheating at dice, cheating at cards, cheating at any game means nothing. And in a world where strangers on the Internet are immune to prosecution for cheating, well, here we are.

I didn't need Mind Reader to demoralize me. I read this apology for cheating.

Using an in game ability is cheating?

Moderator Sevein131 said:

Using an in game ability is cheating?

It's indisputably a cheat code.

phatalerror said:

It's indisputably a cheat code.

You may not want to play mut then because everyone is cheating with kos, tank,  pick artist,  etc.

Moderator Sevein131 said:

You may not want to play mut then because everyone is cheating with kos, tank,  pick artist,  etc.

C'mon. You didn't even try. I didn't say abilities are cheating, and you know that.

For the purpose of this conversation, we're done. I've never seen a game where you can effectively demoralize an opponent before you even come out of the corner. Until now. And you're OK with that.

Well, hopefully in the time we've discussed this, you've finished your five perfect runs, and you can get out of the mode and let people who want to have fun play the game.

phatalerror said:

C'mon. You didn't even try. I didn't say abilities are cheating, and you know that.

For the purpose of this conversation, we're done. I've never seen a game where you can effectively demoralize an opponent before you even come out of the corner. Until now. And you're OK with that.

Well, hopefully in the time we've discussed this, you've finished your five perfect runs, and you can get out of the mode and let people who want to have fun play the game.

I hope you get your super bowls man.   Hopefully I match up with you when it's my first game and it's your super bowl because all of those I quit out instantl  as I'm not here to ruin people's runs when they actually have their bowl on the line and it's a meaningless first game for me.

Moderator Sevein131 said:

I hope you get your super bowls man.   Hopefully I match up with you when it's my first game and it's your super bowl because all of those I quit out instantl  as I'm not here to ruin people's runs when they actually have their bowl on the line and it's a meaningless first game for me.

I appreciate that, given I keep matching up against Conference Championship opponents when I should be playing two-minute quarters. I play a quarter just to see how good they are, because I need the practice.

More often than not, they cheese the whole time, Mind Reader or not.