NFL HONORS

RavensFlockLetsFly said:

so blowing out the dolphins and 49ers with 2 MVP candidates on both teams just means nothing??? Lamar played better football than Dak last year.

No but Cook is top 5 ITL, Andrews/Likely are the bets group ITL but Knox and Kincaid are top 5 minimum, Coleman has something that Bate doesn't, Shakir is better than Zay. Pro bowls don't mean shit, Drake maye made the damn pro bowl. Week 5 vs the Bengals, no one thought that play was going to be a TD.

I think the point is you can pick and choose what you want to look at to make your case.

I would have been fine w/ either winning (or Barkley for that matter), but I don't think anyone can say Lamar deserved it in '23 and then saying Allen doesn't deserve it in '24.  The voters decided he was the most VALUABLE to his team's success this year.

One day maybe they will change how this award is looked at.  Right now its a broken QB only award, and I don't think it should be that.  Saquon/Eagles fans really should be the only ones who are salty today.

RavensFlockLetsFly said:

Last year was a bad year for QBs in general. With Lamar wiping the floor vs all the other candidates he obviously won it (don't think Allen was going to win with 18 INTs). 

Allen doesn't have "far" less help. His WR1 was 3rd in YAC yards, Cook had the same amount of rushing TDs as Henry, top 3-5 TE room, promising rookie with a jump ball ability that Bateman doesn't have, and a better and more consistent oline. we had a bottom 5 defense for over half the year and if Tucker would have made some more kicks we might be the #1 Seed. Another cool stat is when Lamar has a rating under 114, him and the Ravens are 0-5. when Allen has a rating under 114 (4 games under 80) he is 5-2. Lamar has to play perfect for the Ravens to win, because if not they lose. Take Lamar off the team and we aren't making the playoffs (nor would the Bills if they lost Allen). But I think we would have a worse record than the Bills if both QBs weren't on their teams. Allen had a cupcake schedule in an easy division and the Ravens had one of the hardest schedules and are in the hardest division. Lamar was 7-3 vs playoff teams and Allen was 2-5 vs them (including a blowout 35-10 lose to a bottom 5 Ravens defense in which he got benched in the 4th).

Voter fatigue, they were glazing Allen from the start.

That is an absolutely wild take.  If you want to make a case for Lamar winning the MVP stick to the actual numbers.  Statistically Lamar had an absolutely phenomenal year and beat Josh in basically every single statistical category.  But leave your argument there.  Stop talking after that.

Because relating Shakir to Flowers because of his YAC ranking?  Equating Henry to Cook based on TDs only.  Coleman has an ability Bateman doesn’t?  Well Bateman has an ability Coleman doesn’t.  Coleman can’t seperate if his life depended on it and that jump ball ability got him exactly 2 contested TDs all year.

But the icing on the cake is the TE argument.  COMING FROM A RAVENS FAN.  Who has Andrews and Likely.  You realize the Bills drafted Kincaid because Knox’s hands were so unreliable and thank god Kincaids hands have been sooooo much better.  Just because MUT gives him cards doesn’t mean he’s a top taren’t.   Top 3-5 TE room???  You can’t stick two turds together and tell me it’s a candy bar.  There are at least 16 better TE rooms in the NFL.

lachry said:

I think the point is you can pick and choose what you want to look at to make your case.

I would have been fine w/ either winning (or Barkley for that matter), but I don't think anyone can say Lamar deserved it in '23 and then saying Allen doesn't deserve it in '24.  The voters decided he was the most VALUABLE to his team's success this year.

One day maybe they will change how this award is looked at.  Right now its a broken QB only award, and I don't think it should be that.  Saquon/Eagles fans really should be the only ones who are salty today.

if we talking about value then saquon and goff shouldnt even be in the race

shoulda know allen was gonna get it after they called one of his picks an "arm punt" and not including on his statline on the screen

RavensFlockLetsFly said:

if we talking about value then saquon and goff shouldnt even be in the race

shoulda know allen was gonna get it after they called one of his picks an "arm punt" and not including on his statline on the screen

Saquon shouldn't be in the race?

Yikes.  I'm out.  

Last thing I'll say is I just hope EA doesn't screw the honors cards up again like last year (since this is a MUT forum, not necessarily an NFL one).  They were all horrid.  Just give them LTDs and call it good like in years past.

lachry said:

Saquon shouldn't be in the race?

Yikes.  I'm out.  

Last thing I'll say is I just hope EA doesn't screw the honors cards up again like last year (since this is a MUT forum, not necessarily an NFL one).  They were all horrid.  Just give them LTDs and call it good like in years past.

take him off the eagles and they are still a supber bowl contender without him, thats why.

lachry said:

I wouldn't go as far as that

Lamar last year set the precedent when the voters valued wins, team success, and big performances against the top comp as the primary voting factor.  Lamar had the biggest game against who was deemed as the best in the league at the time (49ers on SNF), and had a better record than Allen or Dak who had better statistical seasons.

The voters did the same this year.  They valued Allen's big performances against the best in the league at the time (and he did it twice w/ KC and DET), and his team having more wins than BAL.  You throw in the fact Allen had far less help (no all pro teammates compared to 4 for BAL, and 1 pro bowl teammate compared to 8), and you get the results you got last night.  

They felt Lamar had the better year (as evidenced by his 1st team AP), but Josh was more valuable to the success of his team.

Both had a great year, and both were deserving to win.  The voters just voted the same way they did last year, and that history ended up in Allen's favor.

Lamar had 41 TDs with 4 interceptions.. Rodgers won MVPs with similar seasons but now they bring all these other factors into it? It's bullshit. He was robbed and that's it, let's be honest about it. You using all these other numbers and games to justify Allen winning means it's bullshit he won. Lamar was the MVP this year, period. And i don't give a shit about either team but come on. 3700 28-6 gets you an MVP when another guy went 4100 41-4?

MaddenIsTerrible said:

Lamar had 41 TDs with 4 interceptions.. Rodgers won MVPs with similar seasons but now they bring all these other factors into it? It's bullshit. He was robbed and that's it, let's be honest about it. You using all these other numbers and games to justify Allen winning means it's bullshit he won. Lamar was the MVP this year, period. And i don't give a shit about either team but come on. 3700 28-6 gets you an MVP when another guy went 4100 41-4?

He only had 29 TD, I'm not sure what you're talking about?

Oh...you are talking about 2024?  My bad.  You said they just now brought all these other factors into it, so I was assuming you were speaking of 2023.

You would have to ask the voters.  I have no clue why they decided this was how they were going to vote going forward.  They did so last year, and they did so this year.  Again, you can compare 2023 Lamar to 2023 Dak (where Dak had 9 more total TDs and 2 less turnovers *edit* and also almost 1000 yard more total offense).

TDs to TO ratio is also not the stat you want to cherry pick for Lamar this year.  He had 2 more total TDs and 3 more TOs.

lachry said:

He only had 29 TD, I'm not sure what you're talking about?

Oh...you are talking about 2024?  My bad.  You said they just now brought all these other factors into it, so I was assuming you were speaking of 2023.

You would have to ask the voters.  I have no clue why they decided this was how they were going to vote going forward.  They did so last year, and they did so this year.  Again, you can compare 2023 Lamar to 2023 Dak (where Dak had 9 more total TDs and 2 less turnovers *edit* and also almost 1000 yard more total offense).

TDs to TO ratio is also not the stat you want to cherry pick for Lamar this year.  He had 2 more total TDs and 3 more TOs.

If you line those numbers up and compare them without knowing the players, who do you give it too? The NFL wants Allen to be this big time popular QB and he's just not. Guy is so overrated it's sickening

MaddenIsTerrible said:

If you line those numbers up and compare them without knowing the players, who do you give it too? The NFL wants Allen to be this big time popular QB and he's just not. Guy is so overrated it's sickening

I don't vote for NFL MVP.  I'm going off how they have now voted 2 years in a row.

P.S., I was really hopeful Dabol was going to help your boy.  Guess some things can't be fixed

lachry said:

I don't vote for NFL MVP.  I'm going off how they have now voted 2 years in a row.

P.S., I was really hopeful Dabol was going to help your boy.  Guess some things can't be fixed

Meh, Jones wasn't fixable. My team sucks and has no QB so hopefully Daboll can figure that out soon so the season isn't over before Halloween

MaddenIsTerrible said:

Meh, Jones wasn't fixable. My team sucks and has no QB so hopefully Daboll can figure that out soon so the season isn't over before Halloween

I'll still love him (he's been my MUT coach item the last 3 years).  After 2021, I'll forever believe we let the wrong people walk (Frazier, Dabs).  McClappy proves me right every postseason.

lachry said:

I'll still love him (he's been my MUT coach item the last 3 years).  After 2021, I'll forever believe we let the wrong people walk (Frazier, Dabs).  McClappy proves me right every postseason.

And you literally are a Josh Allen meatrider Look at your pfp look all I’m saying is Jalen hurts longest td is 44 yards on the ground Allen’s is 52 Lamar’s long is 81 there is levels to this shit also when did Josh Allen throw for 4000 and rush for 900+ that’s right he can’t and he won’t Lamar still gonna get a card don’t worry

Ok

No need for this