Once again...a reminder to EA...ban or penalize constant hurry ups

Dirk26 said:

I'll take the bait...running no-huddle is 100% a viable strategy in the NFL and players do not get tired any quicker than huddling.  Peyton Manning and others used to run this type of offense ALL the time.  He was still using the whole play clock to call the play at the line, he just wouldn't huddle so the defense couldn't make adjustments/subs.  I'll do the same thing in Madden.  If I'm in a play/formation that is going to destroy mid-blitz, and they are in mid-blitz, I'm going no-huddle until I score or they call time-out.

Tom Brady was also notorious for running no huddle when he identified a mismatch in personnel. This is also how Dak got most his yardage the year he was 2nd in passing yardage. I huddle when the defense is in zone to try to identify what formation can attack his weak spots but I’ll spam no huddle if they’re in man so they can’t audible their blitzers/safeties in the correct zones in time.

SosaChamberlain said:

Tom Brady was also notorious for running no huddle when he identified a mismatch in personnel. This is also how Dak got most his yardage the year he was 2nd in passing yardage. I huddle when the defense is in zone to try to identify what formation can attack his weak spots but I’ll spam no huddle if they’re in man so they can’t audible their blitzers/safeties in the correct zones in time.

So basically, you take advantage of the deficiencies of Madden's AI and UI, and you don't do it for a football reason.

I would understand if you had said that you run hurry-up because you identified a mismatch between your eligible receivers and the defensive personnel they were aligning against. But that's not what's happening here because it's really hard to see that due to the way Madden presents the game to the offensive player. I don't think Tom Brady was successful all those years because he saw the defense defending in man coverage and no-huddled the opponent to death.

Quarterbacks in the NFL spend all week getting ready for a scheduled game. They'll see a limited number of different personnel, and their coaches will try to get the scout team to run plays simulating what the opponent will be likely to do. MUT's different, in that the games aren't scheduled. You'll see all kinds of personnel, including current and past iterations of the same player. You'll see guys who outperform their stock attributes because strategy items and chemistries are boosting them. You'll see guys who underperform due to Madden's imposition of an attribute-altering algorithm to make the game more dynamic.

But taking advantage of personnel on the field because there's one specific defender you can pick on? The game hardly lets you know that, and if you do manage to pick it out, the game hardly lets you take advantage of it the way a quarterback could in real life.

I'm waiting to see a true football justification for this hurry-up spamming nonsense, and not these superficial "It's in the game" excuses.

Daddy said:

Dumb complaint lol

Second that lol

phatalerror said:

So basically, you take advantage of the deficiencies of Madden's AI and UI, and you don't do it for a football reason.

I would understand if you had said that you run hurry-up because you identified a mismatch between your eligible receivers and the defensive personnel they were aligning against. But that's not what's happening here because it's really hard to see that due to the way Madden presents the game to the offensive player. I don't think Tom Brady was successful all those years because he saw the defense defending in man coverage and no-huddled the opponent to death.

Quarterbacks in the NFL spend all week getting ready for a scheduled game. They'll see a limited number of different personnel, and their coaches will try to get the scout team to run plays simulating what the opponent will be likely to do. MUT's different, in that the games aren't scheduled. You'll see all kinds of personnel, including current and past iterations of the same player. You'll see guys who outperform their stock attributes because strategy items and chemistries are boosting them. You'll see guys who underperform due to Madden's imposition of an attribute-altering algorithm to make the game more dynamic.

But taking advantage of personnel on the field because there's one specific defender you can pick on? The game hardly lets you know that, and if you do manage to pick it out, the game hardly lets you take advantage of it the way a quarterback could in real life.

I'm waiting to see a true football justification for this hurry-up spamming nonsense, and not these superficial "It's in the game" excuses.

how is identifying man any different than tom brady seeing the personal on the field can’t match up with the offense? 

the defense always has the option to call time out or audible to zone. if they don’t adjust why should I? also I play on all madden so i never see what the opponent calls. i can identify a shell and get a good idea of what’s going to be open unless im playing a defensive guru. some of us read the safeties bro  

if i’m getting gashed i’m using my time outs. i can’t take them to the grave.

jimshredder said:

You cant tell that from an alias they use on a video game message board

They could be a Chris Traeger or Ned Flanders in real life

You got me

SosaChamberlain said:

how is identifying man any different than tom brady seeing the personal on the field can’t match up with the offense? 

the defense always has the option to call time out or audible to zone. if they don’t adjust why should I? also I play on all madden so i never see what the opponent calls. i can identify a shell and get a good idea of what’s going to be open unless im playing a defensive guru. some of us read the safeties bro  

if i’m getting gashed i’m using my time outs. i can’t take them to the grave.

"I’ll spam no huddle if they’re in man so they can’t audible their blitzers/safeties in the correct zones in time."

Those were your words. That's not a football reason. That's a Madden reason. Broken defensive AI and a very crude and limited defensive adjustments and audibles menu are the reason spamming hurry-up becomes effective, but it has nothing to do with being able to read and react, and everything to do with the opponent's inability to get his defenders to play as they would intelligently in real life. If real-life defenders defended on the field they way they did in Madden, they'd be cut before the end of training camp, no matter how talented they might have been physically.

I agree with you about using timeouts with discretion, but I need my timeouts at the end of the half when, given Madden's artificially-shortened quarters, I need to make the most of my time of possession. If my opponent is spamming hurry-up, he's probably doing a bunch of other cheesy stuff, probably has a lineup that outclasses my 93 OVR squad, and might even be a jerk on the mic (not that I know, because my speaker is off). Letting him march down the field relentlessly isn't in my best interests, but if I burn a timeout at the 50, I might hold him to fourth down, and then he'll pull off some clutch retarded twenty-yard streak ignored by the three defenders in position to make a play, and I'll be back where I started.

But back to the main point: In the situation you described, you are attacking a non-football AI and UI-imposed tactical deficiency, not a true football tactical deficiency.

phatalerror said:

"I’ll spam no huddle if they’re in man so they can’t audible their blitzers/safeties in the correct zones in time."

Those were your words. That's not a football reason. That's a Madden reason. Broken defensive AI and a very crude and limited defensive adjustments and audibles menu are the reason spamming hurry-up becomes effective, but it has nothing to do with being able to read and react, and everything to do with the opponent's inability to get his defenders to play as they would intelligently in real life. If real-life defenders defended on the field they way they did in Madden, they'd be cut before the end of training camp, no matter how talented they might have been physically.

I agree with you about using timeouts with discretion, but I need my timeouts at the end of the half when, given Madden's artificially-shortened quarters, I need to make the most of my time of possession. If my opponent is spamming hurry-up, he's probably doing a bunch of other cheesy stuff, probably has a lineup that outclasses my 93 OVR squad, and might even be a jerk on the mic (not that I know, because my speaker is off). Letting him march down the field relentlessly isn't in my best interests, but if I burn a timeout at the 50, I might hold him to fourth down, and then he'll pull off some clutch retarded twenty-yard streak ignored by the three defenders in position to make a play, and I'll be back where I started.

But back to the main point: In the situation you described, you are attacking a non-football AI and UI-imposed tactical deficiency, not a true football tactical deficiency.

it takes 2 clicks for someone to audible to a basic zone coverage bro. i take advantage of my defender trying to CHEESE me sending pressure every play. why waste your time outs for the end of half if the game is getting out if hand early. i have no issue make audibles when i’m getting no huddled. 

also if you’re out of time outs that’s when you no huddle to preserve clock running lol.

SosaChamberlain said:

it takes 2 clicks for someone to audible to a basic zone coverage bro. i take advantage of my defender trying to CHEESE me sending pressure every play. why waste your time outs for the end of half if the game is getting out if hand early. i have no issue make audibles when i’m getting no huddled. 

also if you’re out of time outs that’s when you no huddle to preserve clock running lol.

So just to be clear, I was speaking of spamming hurry-up outside of two contexts you just introduced later.

• The clock is running out in the half and you have possession? You hurry up. No question, no issue.

• The defense is spamming Mid Blitz or any of the other nano-blitz variants? That gets into the realm of fighting cheese with cheese, but we're already outside of the bounds in which we were discussing this: Spamming hurry-up to disproportionately exhaust the defense. I'm not running Mid Blitz, so why is my opponent spamming hurry-up on the second play of the game? Heck, most of the time I'm running zone, and they're still spamming hurry-up.

I don't know, man. It sounds like no one really gets to play Madden like it's a football game, and that's just the way it is. But it's silly for people to argue that they're resorting to cheesy non-football strategies to gain an advantage because Tom Brady and Peyton Manning ran hurry up. So did Chip Kelly's offense, but he left the league with a losing record. And most of the guys I run into on MUT don't have a tenth of Kelly's coaching acumen. It's just that in the NFL, you need more than athleticism to win.

phatalerror said:

So just to be clear, I was speaking of spamming hurry-up outside of two contexts you just introduced later.

• The clock is running out in the half and you have possession? You hurry up. No question, no issue.

• The defense is spamming Mid Blitz or any of the other nano-blitz variants? That gets into the realm of fighting cheese with cheese, but we're already outside of the bounds in which we were discussing this: Spamming hurry-up to disproportionately exhaust the defense. I'm not running Mid Blitz, so why is my opponent spamming hurry-up on the second play of the game? Heck, most of the time I'm running zone, and they're still spamming hurry-up.

I don't know, man. It sounds like no one really gets to play Madden like it's a football game, and that's just the way it is. But it's silly for people to argue that they're resorting to cheesy non-football strategies to gain an advantage because Tom Brady and Peyton Manning ran hurry up. So did Chip Kelly's offense, but he left the league with a losing record. And most of the guys I run into on MUT don't have a tenth of Kelly's coaching acumen. It's just that in the NFL, you need more than athleticism to win.

I have the same thought. I sit in zone base align with even defensive fronts so majority of the time I get no huddled im wondering what the purpose is. I never paid attention to my defense’s fatigue so maybe that’s the only advantage?? 

It’s a lot of kids just spamming what they learned on youtube without understanding the purpose behind it.

phatalerror said:

So just to be clear, I was speaking of spamming hurry-up outside of two contexts you just introduced later.

• The clock is running out in the half and you have possession? You hurry up. No question, no issue.

• The defense is spamming Mid Blitz or any of the other nano-blitz variants? That gets into the realm of fighting cheese with cheese, but we're already outside of the bounds in which we were discussing this: Spamming hurry-up to disproportionately exhaust the defense. I'm not running Mid Blitz, so why is my opponent spamming hurry-up on the second play of the game? Heck, most of the time I'm running zone, and they're still spamming hurry-up.

I don't know, man. It sounds like no one really gets to play Madden like it's a football game, and that's just the way it is. But it's silly for people to argue that they're resorting to cheesy non-football strategies to gain an advantage because Tom Brady and Peyton Manning ran hurry up. So did Chip Kelly's offense, but he left the league with a losing record. And most of the guys I run into on MUT don't have a tenth of Kelly's coaching acumen. It's just that in the NFL, you need more than athleticism to win.

Is it a pride thing or do you truly believe that you need to earn every yard in madden for it to matter or what? you can’t make people play the way you want to play. I’ll attempt a field goal on first & 10 on my own 1 yard if if I feel like it. Would you not be able to handle that because “it’s not real football” ?!! What’s the big deal? You seem to be very invested in this topic

MaddenIsTerrible said:

You got me

I didnt get anything Lil Broski

jimshredder said:

I didnt get anything Lil Broski

You love that word

Daddy said:

Is it a pride thing or do you truly believe that you need to earn every yard in madden for it to matter or what? you can’t make people play the way you want to play. I’ll attempt a field goal on first & 10 on my own 1 yard if if I feel like it. Would you not be able to handle that because “it’s not real football” ?!! What’s the big deal? You seem to be very invested in this topic

The issue is with no huddle offense not having any consequences. Defense loses stamina but offense pretty much plays the same, that's not healthy for an online game.

SosaChamberlain said:

I have the same thought. I sit in zone base align with even defensive fronts so majority of the time I get no huddled im wondering what the purpose is. I never paid attention to my defense’s fatigue so maybe that’s the only advantage?? 

It’s a lot of kids just spamming what they learned on youtube without understanding the purpose behind it.

As mentioned earlier, before the drive is finished, two or three of my defensive linemen are in the yellow, and often they never fully recover. And it is a huge advantage for the offense, as the quarterback pressures diminish and the time for the quarterback in the pocket increases as the defensive linemen get gassed. Since this is January MUT and I'm playing a theme team on an NMS budget, I don't have viable depth linemen. Even if I call a time out, my linemen just don't recover fast enough.