corner routes

xconraex said:

Double mable for sure. Also depends on what defense you wanna run. I try to stay away from Meta so I play man a lot. If I run 335 I’ll pick a play where my 2 outside sub LBs are blitzing and i’ll put them into a 30 yard Curl Flat and press my corners. I’ll user the RB cover guy. Can do the same in Nickel, Big Nickel and Dime too if you want 4 lineman.

Worst case, send the heat non stop then back off. Good chance they’ll get happy feet and make a bad read.

“Send the heat”: This is what I’ve started doing, along with alternating between press man and zone shaded outside. There are no great solutions that don’t leave you very vulnerable elsewhere, but most of these guys can’t make a one-and-a-half second read to a slant heading toward the middle, and if my defenders will actually hold on to picks that hit them in both hands, my chances at winning improve significantly.

And then the cheeser calls me out for spamming blitzes.

Do u not get burnt deep when shading underneath?

peatrick said:

KOs, KOs, KOs.  We basically need to have two Deep Out Zone KOs on both of our outside corners to have any hope of contesting these corner routes.  Typically folks will set their Flats to 30 yards (in coaching adjustments) and Curl Flats to 5 yards, then run something liek Cover 3 / Cover 4 and hope for the best.  Obviously you'll need to see what your opponent(s) is/are doing, but typically i find 25-30 yard Flats work out best... at least as a starting point.

There are a few random plays that will allow receivers to get over 30 yard flats, but not many.  I think someone else mentioned it already, but running Double Mable coverage is the standard way folks defend against the corner and sideline throws.  This can be achieved from many formations/schemes, but the concepts remain vital.

It’s vital because the game is busted and doesn’t follow any real football logic lol

Saph said:

Do u not get burnt deep when shading underneath?

Having Deep Zone KO abilities on your outside corners will help prevent against getting burnt deep, even while shading underneath.  I often shade my Zone schemes down, to try and help take away the short crossing routes and dump offs.  I typically try to play a bend, but don't break style defense, even though it can be excruciating to face an opponent who continually dumps the ball off for 4-5 yard gains, over and over and over.  I guess that's better than giving up the deep bombs / over the top stuff, but YMMV.

Tpbv9 said:

It’s vital because the game is busted and doesn’t follow any real football logic lol

💯 Truth.

peatrick said:

Having Deep Zone KO abilities on your outside corners will help prevent against getting burnt deep, even while shading underneath.  I often shade my Zone schemes down, to try and help take away the short crossing routes and dump offs.  I typically try to play a bend, but don't break style defense, even though it can be excruciating to face an opponent who continually dumps the ball off for 4-5 yard gains, over and over and over.  I guess that's better than giving up the deep bombs / over the top stuff, but YMMV.

Yes, I was getting killed all day yesterday with crossers, drags and angles. I tried a bunch of different coverages but just could not get a stop. Went about 2-6 last night before I nearly threw my controller out the window.

phatalerror said:

“Send the heat”: This is what I’ve started doing, along with alternating between press man and zone shaded outside. There are no great solutions that don’t leave you very vulnerable elsewhere, but most of these guys can’t make a one-and-a-half second read to a slant heading toward the middle, and if my defenders will actually hold on to picks that hit them in both hands, my chances at winning improve significantly.

And then the cheeser calls me out for spamming blitzes.

If you're not generating some type of pressure on the QB, you're going to get eaten alive.  This is absolutely fantastic advice, basically you want to force your opponent to make a mistake.  Taking away that first/primary read is often enough to get wins against many/most players.  Let them beat themselves and try to limit your own mistakes.  The second part is where i struggle.

Went down 21-0 in a MUT Champs game last evening and almost gave up, but holy hell i'm glad i stuck that one out.  Was some of the most fun i had in a while, ended up pulling off the victory 51-43, by recovering an onside kick as dude was threating to make it a close game.  From there, i kneeled out the clock.  If anyone finds a method for reliably catching the ball on defense, that'd be amazing.  Not sure it exists, cuz EA cannot seem to figure out how to code the game properly to have a happy medium between D-linemen grabbing picks with their shoestrings, versus having our DBs muff wide open picks.

I've been spoiled by having two outside corners, both with LurkArtist and DOZKO, so things are somewhat being addressed.  It's not a proper solution, however it's at least a workaround -- i see this as EA admitting they can't figure the catching stuff out, so their solution for a broken game is abilities, abilities, abilities.  Feels kind of arcade-y to have seven foot tall NBA style MLBs (and DBs) zooming around the field making insane plays, by jumping twenty feet in the air, but anything has got to be better than the constant muffed interceptions.  Since having more Zero Chill players and higher end DBs finally, i'm noticing a slight improvement.  Baby steps, i guess.  YMMV.

i run cov. 4 out of even 61 where flats are 30 and curls are 5. i adjust the secondary to where the 2 uptop safeties are in deep halves and then i put my cb’s in cloud flats, then shade up and out. unless the opponent really has time for the corner routes to sit down and end the route, i have no trouble with corner routes anymore.

xconraex said:

Double mable for sure. Also depends on what defense you wanna run. I try to stay away from Meta so I play man a lot. If I run 335 I’ll pick a play where my 2 outside sub LBs are blitzing and i’ll put them into a 30 yard Curl Flat and press my corners. I’ll user the RB cover guy. Can do the same in Nickel, Big Nickel and Dime too if you want 4 lineman.

Worst case, send the heat non stop then back off. Good chance they’ll get happy feet and make a bad read.

You are not avoiding the meta by running man with curl flats lol, that’s been meta every year in madden for a while

lejohnjamez23 said:

i run cov. 4 out of even 61 where flats are 30 and curls are 5. i adjust the secondary to where the 2 uptop safeties are in deep halves and then i put my cb’s in cloud flats, then shade up and out. unless the opponent really has time for the corner routes to sit down and end the route, i have no trouble with corner routes anymore.

Try this OP. Pinch and slant your d line inside too, it’ll send some heat

elmango30 said:

Try this OP. Pinch and slant your d line inside too, it’ll send some heat

yep, and hover over the DTs to where the green bars are above the user. some plays i try to mix in a cover 4 shell on one side then the cover 2 mable on the other, really throws the opponent off

Saph said:

Do u not get burnt deep when shading underneath?

Of course, that can happen. But not every instance of shading underneath leads to a score. At times, defensive adjustments feel more like a placebo than a means of influencing the outcome. And many times, the defenders don’t react as you expect them to. Still, if I do get burned deep, at least I should be getting the ball back, and it’s purely his problem to defend me now.

Then it’s my choice to play honorably with the likelihood that I’ll ultimately lose, or spam money plays and send him to this same forum asking us , ‘How do I defend against…?’

I've always stayed on BNOG in cover 3 . the AI in this game is broken. so adjust your zone drops accordingly to coverage for your opponent. and user the middle safety. and hope to God your corners do their jobs

we can actually click on and cutoff the route before the KO even has a chance to knock it out lol i love playing Deep KOs because they are worthless against me