Cards seem more expensive and money is harder to get?

blamppp said:

you are all over the place w/ this? whats your complaint? you don't get "EVERYTHING" in madden/mut for free? or for your $60? people want more than the base $60 game, and if I want to spend money on a game it should be my right/option and not up to you to decide if it can exist. just play the free portion of the game, nobody is going to create content for you year round for free.

money talks in every single aspect of life, why do you think franchise was messed up, not updated, etc etc for so long. 

what needs to be refined/discussed is "would the community be okay with prices just absolutely tanking on everything and it being little to no value in there teams because EA accomodated everything they want"

because for every person you have complaining they didn't get mike evans, or enough rewards, you have another guy on the other side of the coin that wants his deion, josh allen, ray lewis, gronk etc to hold value and pay to play is the only way that's going to hold value.

you could possibly making it like gauntlet/very difficult gameplay rewards to make it hold value but who's going to program that for free? because that doesn't make anything? would you do it for the cause? lol

"nobody is going to create content for you year round for free."

The hilarious part is that while you couldn't possibly know this, you're talking to someone who literally did just this for 20 years. I ran a popular website. We could have charged for subscriptions like some of our peers did. We didn't. 

And then we have this: "money talks in every single aspect of life"

It only talks if you let it. A few years ago, developers tried to normalize the behavior of selling something that was previously free, the maintenance phase of development. Enough people allowed it that we've now reached this predictable next phase, the one where they try to normalize giving you 10% of what you once had for the same price. 

When it comes to pay-to-play offerings, the War Games logic applies. The only choice is not to play. 

You're legitimately and without a lick of irony asking who's going to program something for free. It's not free. It earns more than a quarter-billion in software sales annually. That's just the game, nothing else.  At one point, EA shamelessly asked, "Hey, would you pay a lot more for the same thing, even though we made it worse?" Enough people like you said yes, and here we are. 

Spoiler: it's only gonna get worse if you think people shouldn't be asking for make-rights due to software bugs. A lack of concern over customer satisfaction leads to retention issues and declining future sales. And what happens after that? The remaining customers must pay more so that the corporation's spreadsheets don't show that they're bleeding money. You're a hamster on a wheel in a vicious circle. 

The War Games approach is cleaner. Then, a company like Capcom realizes that people aren't happy with Resident Evil, they reinvent it, and the new thing is sublime. BTW, Resident Evil 4 Remake, which will be up for Game of the Year everywhere, has a one-time purchase and then a $10 DLC. Then, they move on to Resident Evil 8. Why doesn't EA do that? Because it's currently finding enough people willing to rip packs of thin air and pretend like they have value for a fleeting moment. That's how "money talks."

blamppp said:

this is such a small minded short sighted way of thinking, if mut doesn't exist do they still get a salary? c'mon man. u think MUT is just going to create everything free so you can play it all year long w/o spending anything additional? NOT HAPPENING.

if your mad play REGS........ the gaming industry has evolved from the 80's

I'm def on your side - most the people complaining are broke losers who don't understand much and shouldn't be playing the game anyways until they learn to make bread, but EA will still pay the employees regardless of MUT's performance, Madden isn't their only title - so yes if MUT didn't exist they still get salaries..., if MUT performed horribly, or any game for that matter yes eventually layoffs, but this isn't sales, employees will collect paychecks regardless of the company / title's performance until layoffs happen if/when performance impacts bottom line...

on the other side, the shit is too expensive, look at epic games and what they do with fortnite, player base way larger yes but they don't charge ridiculous amounts of money, EA be greedy asf with what they charge and the odds they give / how hard they make it to make in game currency and how they rig the AH... they want every last drop they can get, I still spend way too much (doesn't impact me financially but it's too much...) the shit is overpriced...

and with what they make / charge you would think these MCS tournaments would have better cash prizes, seriously 30K for first is an absolute joke / slap in the face, they are just greedy asf in so many ways and that's how I can see the other side, even though most complaining are broke losers...

the prize pools should be doubled with what they charge, they need to double the prize pools and keep what they charge the same, or cut everything by at least 50% for pricing to seem close to fair IMO...

goneviralbop said:

"nobody is going to create content for you year round for free."

The hilarious part is that while you couldn't possibly know this, you're talking to someone who literally did just this for 20 years. I ran a popular website. We could have charged for subscriptions like some of our peers did. We didn't. 

And then we have this: "money talks in every single aspect of life"

It only talks if you let it. A few years ago, developers tried to normalize the behavior of selling something that was previously free, the maintenance phase of development. Enough people allowed it that we've now reached this predictable next phase, the one where they try to normalize giving you 10% of what you once had for the same price. 

When it comes to pay-to-play offerings, the War Games logic applies. The only choice is not to play. 

You're legitimately and without a lick of irony asking who's going to program something for free. It's not free. It earns more than a quarter-billion in software sales annually. That's just the game, nothing else.  At one point, EA shamelessly asked, "Hey, would you pay a lot more for the same thing, even though we made it worse?" Enough people like you said yes, and here we are. 

Spoiler: it's only gonna get worse if you think people shouldn't be asking for make-rights due to software bugs. A lack of concern over customer satisfaction leads to retention issues and declining future sales. And what happens after that? The remaining customers must pay more so that the corporation's spreadsheets don't show that they're bleeding money. You're a hamster on a wheel in a vicious circle. 

The War Games approach is cleaner. Then, a company like Capcom realizes that people aren't happy with Resident Evil, they reinvent it, and the new thing is sublime. BTW, Resident Evil 4 Remake, which will be up for Game of the Year everywhere, has a one-time purchase and then a $10 DLC. Then, they move on to Resident Evil 8. Why doesn't EA do that? Because it's currently finding enough people willing to rip packs of thin air and pretend like they have value for a fleeting moment. That's how "money talks."

i'm not going to lie man it almost feels like you have a chip on your shoulder because they don't operate the way you operate?

MUT is far from a war games mentality, you can play it absolutely free, I know people w/ a completely free team that play everyday.

resident evil was a game they made, remade, then did the dlc or whatever, but there are many different aspects, do they pay football players for likeness? I think that's the part you completely missed and took for granted. it's not the same business model, when legends packs come out, it's not like they don't have to pay those guys, and the designers etc, you completely disreguard the people that EA employs etc and just make it into this evil entity or something. kinda wild

i'm not at all saying EA couldn't do everything completely free, they probably could, I just think you could pretty much plan on it sucking and them losing the NFL liscense if they did that. 

sometimes it takes large entities to bring things together and people just tear that down & take it for granted. for example in music they used to "BRAND" the artist alot more in the time period before the 2000's, and now that you don't really have those major label situations and you have a bunch of people releasing singles all the time etc, it's just microwave and up next situation for music artists.

are you going to get on the phone with desean jackson and say hey man you should just add your likeness for free to madden, bo jackson? randy moss? you feel like all these guys shouldn't make money? the graphic designers? developers? they aren't supposed to eat because you want a free game? or lets not say free lets say $60 game.

if the game would have stayed at the $60 only price point mut would cease to exist, guaranteed.

fortnite & epic games is a unicorn of a situation, they hit it big with a certain business model and people buy skins literally "ALL THE TIME"....... they have probably just as many if not way more microtransactions than madden

again microtransactions are added content, they are not required to play the game, they aren't mandatory and you can at any time choose not to spend anything additional. I don't see the need to destroy & complain about it constantly.

blamppp said:

i'm not going to lie man it almost feels like you have a chip on your shoulder because they don't operate the way you operate?

MUT is far from a war games mentality, you can play it absolutely free, I know people w/ a completely free team that play everyday.

resident evil was a game they made, remade, then did the dlc or whatever, but there are many different aspects, do they pay football players for likeness? I think that's the part you completely missed and took for granted. it's not the same business model, when legends packs come out, it's not like they don't have to pay those guys, and the designers etc, you completely disreguard the people that EA employs etc and just make it into this evil entity or something. kinda wild

i'm not at all saying EA couldn't do everything completely free, they probably could, I just think you could pretty much plan on it sucking and them losing the NFL liscense if they did that. 

sometimes it takes large entities to bring things together and people just tear that down & take it for granted. for example in music they used to "BRAND" the artist alot more in the time period before the 2000's, and now that you don't really have those major label situations and you have a bunch of people releasing singles all the time etc, it's just microwave and up next situation for music artists.

are you going to get on the phone with desean jackson and say hey man you should just add your likeness for free to madden, bo jackson? randy moss? you feel like all these guys shouldn't make money? the graphic designers? developers? they aren't supposed to eat because you want a free game? or lets not say free lets say $60 game.

if the game would have stayed at the $60 only price point mut would cease to exist, guaranteed.

fortnite & epic games is a unicorn of a situation, they hit it big with a certain business model and people buy skins literally "ALL THE TIME"....... they have probably just as many if not way more microtransactions than madden

again microtransactions are added content, they are not required to play the game, they aren't mandatory and you can at any time choose not to spend anything additional. I don't see the need to destroy & complain about it constantly.

You literally just replied the last time that "money talks in every single aspect of life" and then turned around and completely flip-flopped to "you can play it absolutely free."

How seriously could I possibly take anything you have to say after that? And then there's this chestnut:

"I don't see the need to destroy & complain about it constantly."

Oddly, you DO see the need to defend microtransactions almost as if you're paid to do so. My opinion of you after reading your various replies the past few days is that you're either A) paid by EA to talk up the game or B) a junkie. So, I'll give you the kinder evaluation and say that you strike me as a tweaker heading toward a crack den, never making the connection that crack is bad for you. 

To a larger point, a buddy of mine works on the game in Orlando. And I'm just saying what many workers grumble about in the breakroom. This game is broken, and that's an objective fact. Fixing it is as simple as turning the No Pack Day into a No Pack Season. Developers call people like you The Money. The only way to get developers to pay attention to anything you say is by not sending them microtransactions. Whether you do that or not is entirely up to you. I'm sure that crack den looks and smells delightful.

Me, I've got an 18 TB hard drive filled with ROMs of Madden 90 through now. So, I'm not ever losing those likenesses of John Madden and Bo Jackson.

blamppp said:

so you are angry you don't get 5 89's from harvest, a full legend, and would have to pay at a chance for a several million coin card.

you do get a couple free 89's from the harvest program just not from the sets, you could buy a full legend from the auction house for like 100-200k with the coins you made playing mut, and if you don't like pay only programs why are you playing a pay to play mode? that doesn't really make alot of sense, you want the top tier card for NMS? why would anyone buy anything or play the mode if you could do that easily? what would be the point? everybody would have everything and everycard and it would be boring as hell. they have to create some type of card gap to make cards interesting and of value, otherwise everything would be just trash, gronk & sherman would never be a high price like that if there was no pay window, every card would just be cheap & nobody would care.

let blamp cook.

goneviralbop said:

You literally just replied the last time that "money talks in every single aspect of life" and then turned around and completely flip-flopped to "you can play it absolutely free."

How seriously could I possibly take anything you have to say after that? And then there's this chestnut:

"I don't see the need to destroy & complain about it constantly."

Oddly, you DO see the need to defend microtransactions almost as if you're paid to do so. My opinion of you after reading your various replies the past few days is that you're either A) paid by EA to talk up the game or B) a junkie. So, I'll give you the kinder evaluation and say that you strike me as a tweaker heading toward a crack den, never making the connection that crack is bad for you. 

To a larger point, a buddy of mine works on the game in Orlando. And I'm just saying what many workers grumble about in the breakroom. This game is broken, and that's an objective fact. Fixing it is as simple as turning the No Pack Day into a No Pack Season. Developers call people like you The Money. The only way to get developers to pay attention to anything you say is by not sending them microtransactions. Whether you do that or not is entirely up to you. I'm sure that crack den looks and smells delightful.

Me, I've got an 18 TB hard drive filled with ROMs of Madden 90 through now. So, I'm not ever losing those likenesses of John Madden and Bo Jackson.

My crackhouse has a golden snowflake in there it isn’t all bad

goneviralbop said:

You literally just replied the last time that "money talks in every single aspect of life" and then turned around and completely flip-flopped to "you can play it absolutely free."

How seriously could I possibly take anything you have to say after that? And then there's this chestnut:

"I don't see the need to destroy & complain about it constantly."

Oddly, you DO see the need to defend microtransactions almost as if you're paid to do so. My opinion of you after reading your various replies the past few days is that you're either A) paid by EA to talk up the game or B) a junkie. So, I'll give you the kinder evaluation and say that you strike me as a tweaker heading toward a crack den, never making the connection that crack is bad for you. 

To a larger point, a buddy of mine works on the game in Orlando. And I'm just saying what many workers grumble about in the breakroom. This game is broken, and that's an objective fact. Fixing it is as simple as turning the No Pack Day into a No Pack Season. Developers call people like you The Money. The only way to get developers to pay attention to anything you say is by not sending them microtransactions. Whether you do that or not is entirely up to you. I'm sure that crack den looks and smells delightful.

Me, I've got an 18 TB hard drive filled with ROMs of Madden 90 through now. So, I'm not ever losing those likenesses of John Madden and Bo Jackson.

I can't stop laughing at you have 18 TB hard drive filled with roms of madden........ I can't even stop laughing about that to read the rest & respond properly..... that's f*cking hilarious.

my man said he got a 18TB hard drive of maddens........ i'm dead........my eyes are watering laughing at this

and i'm from the crack era..... 80's baby

blamppp said:

I can't stop laughing at you have 18 TB hard drive filled with roms of madden........ I can't even stop laughing about that to read the rest & respond properly..... that's f*cking hilarious.

my man said he got a 18TB hard drive of maddens........ i'm dead........my eyes are watering laughing at this

and i'm from the crack era..... 80's baby

Oh, it's got everything up to Xbox 360/PS3. It's a work of art. You can find them on etsy.

goneviralbop said:

Oh, it's got everything up to Xbox 360/PS3. It's a work of art. You can find them on etsy.

u win the internet for today...........

You cannot make a 90 OVR with BNDs lol

Vburgz98 said:

You cannot make a 90 OVR with BNDs lol

bnd's and rewards from playing collecting the bnd's yeah you actually can...... vick/woodson/woolen/sanders/moss/matthews/lott and more, all above 90, they gave away almost an entire team of 90+'s

blamppp said:

bnd's and rewards from playing collecting the bnd's yeah you actually can...... vick/woodson/woolen/sanders/moss/matthews/lott and more, all above 90, they gave away almost an entire team of 90+'s

Nope they haven’t as evidenced by You only being able to name 7 players which isn’t anywhere near an entire team lol

If by “give away” you mean “playing for 20 hours a week” then sure. No clue how much you’d have to play to have Matthews right now if it’s even possible

Vburgz98 said:

Nope they haven’t as evidenced by You only being able to name 7 players which isn’t anywhere near an entire team lol

If by “give away” you mean “playing for 20 hours a week” then sure. No clue how much you’d have to play to have Matthews right now if it’s even possible

it doesn't matter if I have every player or not, but you could technically just grind the game and have like a 90 overall team w/ the rewards

I just named a few for evidence there are way more

jack campbell, jayron kearse, justin fields, george pickens, aj terrell,  (got ronnie lott 91 all madden bnd), (aka sweet feet 89), bruce mathews, barry sanders, micah parsons, travis kelce, ted hendricks, aaron donald, de'andre hopkins, reggie white, michael vick, bryce young, randy moss, jalen ramsey, de'andre swift, tariq woolen, isaiah palo mao, rg3, micheal pierce, eric kendricks, kyle juice, kevin mawea, mike evans, aj epenesa, darren woodson, dk metcalf.

it was also players like darren waller, isaac bruce, the blitz wr reward that you could earn

get a free 88 hb weekly with the angry runs program

it's free cards all over the place and rewards, you just have to play the game they are all at zero cost. 

if you grinding to get those free cards the rewards would have given you enough coins to buy 91-92 overall team EASILY at this point in mut.

it's only 20+ players on a team and I just named over 30 free.

it is a crazy grind, but people asked for the grind & complained about it over & over, give us more stuff like this make it more difficult make our cards have more value etc then didn't want it, it's people that just constantly argue both sides of the coin. 

the streamers constantly talk about these changes but if you gave them all these things they asked for everything would get boring really fast for people and they would have no career. if you give people all the cards super easy there is literally nothing for those people that play all the time to do, you seen it with zero chill people started getting all mad and complaining then the minute zero chill solo's and rewards dropped it was PIN silence.

blamppp said:

it doesn't matter if I have every player or not, but you could technically just grind the game and have like a 90 overall team w/ the rewards

I just named a few for evidence there are way more

jack campbell, jayron kearse, justin fields, george pickens, aj terrell,  (got ronnie lott 91 all madden bnd), (aka sweet feet 89), bruce mathews, barry sanders, micah parsons, travis kelce, ted hendricks, aaron donald, de'andre hopkins, reggie white, michael vick, bryce young, randy moss, jalen ramsey, de'andre swift, tariq woolen, isaiah palo mao, rg3, micheal pierce, eric kendricks, kyle juice, kevin mawea, mike evans, aj epenesa, darren woodson, dk metcalf.

it was also players like darren waller, isaac bruce, the blitz wr reward that you could earn

get a free 88 hb weekly with the angry runs program

it's free cards all over the place and rewards, you just have to play the game they are all at zero cost. 

if you grinding to get those free cards the rewards would have given you enough coins to buy 91-92 overall team EASILY at this point in mut.

it's only 20+ players on a team and I just named over 30 free.

it is a crazy grind, but people asked for the grind & complained about it over & over, give us more stuff like this make it more difficult make our cards have more value etc then didn't want it, it's people that just constantly argue both sides of the coin. 

the streamers constantly talk about these changes but if you gave them all these things they asked for everything would get boring really fast for people and they would have no career. if you give people all the cards super easy there is literally nothing for those people that play all the time to do, you seen it with zero chill people started getting all mad and complaining then the minute zero chill solo's and rewards dropped it was PIN silence.

the free cards are trash now without top tier abilities its just a fact if it wasnt then why arent any comp players using them? lol yea zc looked great because EA showed us what they wanted us to see.......just forgot to mention the MAIN factor about ZC, presents lol and now we see its another trash promo thats pay 2 participate. 4 promos in a row ( blitz, cover athletes, monday mix up, and zero chill) you can talk all day about p2w but when the best cards with discounted abilities are millions of coins its hard to argue....if this game wasnt about p2w then every single comp player would have the same nms team