Never understood why some people play so toxic

jaybird said:

Honestly you can’t let it get to you. Every year it’s the same thing. We all have our “money” plays and schemes and they all work because they dumb out the AI. 
 

I run cheese. You run cheese. We all run cheese. That’s what this game is.

I disagree that we all cheese. MOST do, but not all of us, and definitely not every play. I might throw a corner route in a pinch, but I don't play anything like the majority of my opponents.

FloorGeneral said:

It's the Youtube generation. Everyone's basically playing follow the leader. It is what it is. It's why I avoid H2H at (almost) all costs. I do play House Rules, and when I (often) run into those types, I try to point them to the error of their ways lol. Like yesterday, got a Spinner Spammer. I ran 2 plays and saw it. Got on the mic and told him he should get out of it. Ran a 3rd and he didn't. So I went to my Spinner beater, and jogged into the end zone. Got back on the mic and told him 'stop running Spinner'. 

But they don't know any better. Their idea of 'gitting gud' is running to YT for the cool meta plays and exploits. It is really nice when you find someone that plays different than everyone else, and I tend to let them know when I come across them. Few and far between though, unfortunately.

I'm glad I was built for run-heavy against the last Spinner Spammer I faced in the Turducken Tourney. I just kept running up the middle, getting huge chunks on many attempts. He kept converting first downs on the same dumb AI-abusing plays on offense, but he had trouble on short fields, and finally quit out after the third pick. That game went to the 4th quarter. Not particularly fun.

I'm so glad I got my second Turducken Leg from the House Rules. I don't think I'll bother trying to play for the DT award.

colbyzg said:

I disagree that we all cheese. MOST do, but not all of us, and definitely not every play. I might throw a corner route in a pinch, but I don't play anything like the majority of my opponents.

I wish that was the majority of my opponents. I will not call RPO alert plays. Once I've compelled my opponents to persistently pinch the defensive line to stop the between-the-tackles runs, I feel I've earned the right to call an off-tackle or pitch.

If my opponent has a bunch of safeties on the field, I'm going to run much more frequently than I'll pass. There's a good chance they don't know enough about football to understand that I'm not spamming runs, but rather, I'm taking advantage of their personnel limitations. We can't control the AI being unintelligent. We can control the rosters, though.

I think we give our opponents too much credit. It isn't "kids" using YouTube schemes, it's grown ass men and 20 something's cause they can't be bothered to learn their own scheme. And yes, it is sad. Id rather lose by playing fairly than win by being grimy. When I see YouTubers opening 25 trophy packs it just gives me the ick because you know they're cheesing like fuck for those wins.

phatalerror said:

I wish that was the majority of my opponents. I will not call RPO alert plays. Once I've compelled my opponents to persistently pinch the defensive line to stop the between-the-tackles runs, I feel I've earned the right to call an off-tackle or pitch.

If my opponent has a bunch of safeties on the field, I'm going to run much more frequently than I'll pass. There's a good chance they don't know enough about football to understand that I'm not spamming runs, but rather, I'm taking advantage of their personnel limitations. We can't control the AI being unintelligent. We can control the rosters, though.

Absolutely. I actually like to run big nickel a lot and if I run some man in that set I go with one LB. There are several things my opponents can do if they see that. They can run the ball, but I have a big hitter safety in Tillman or Dawkins in the box ....or they can throw and try to take advantage of 1 less CB on the field...but again, I do run Dawkins, Branch, Lott, Tillman..etc...this first 3 could all double as CBs. 

But instead of trying to use strategy against my sets, guys just run RPOs or verts and lob....etc....lots of corner routes which can actually be stopped with 25-30 yard cloud flats, etc....

Again though, it's all just "vomiting" back up stuff they saw on youtube....That's where I wish the payoff for good strategy were bigger and more relevant. INstead it's who can break the AI worse...

jaybird said:

Honestly you can’t let it get to you. Every year it’s the same thing. We all have our “money” plays and schemes and they all work because they dumb out the AI. 
 

I run cheese. You run cheese. We all run cheese. That’s what this game is.

I try to read defenses and find the open receiver….if you’re playing to cheese RPOs with motions and speed options you’re just a mindless bot….andddd I’m definitely going to S talk you.

Martyr1968 said:

It wasn't really about getting revenge or getting the W.... it was to show my opponent that anyone can cheese and win.

Often I'll send a nice DM.saying GG and something complimentary about how with their skills they don't need to resort to glitches or YouTube exploits to win

But under the tone of being friendly and complimentary.  Honestly if I can teach one person to feel better about themselves for not taking shortcuts just to win I feel like I've accomplished something

If I message, it is only GG with a compliment on a scheme or a user play or the like. EA has enabled and encouraged toxic play for years. I stay above it, but man, the Ugliness is real.

Ducati0307 said:

First of all.. it's House Rules so there's gonna be shenanigans that the game gives your opponent (and you as well)... 

Secondly... just accept the fact that RPOs were put into the game for the same reason we have a completely nerfed user... DBs that drop open picks... WRs catching almost everything (as long as you have Gift Wrapped on your QB)... ridiculous CPU pursuit angles on stretch runs... etc.  These are all "in the game" to help bad players feel like they have a chance.  

Any time I see someone spam RPOs I know I'm playing against a novice player.  Good players might sprinkle them into their schemes but don't feature them in their offense because they know it's not a particularly skillful way to play the game.  

So basically don't sweat it.  Better yet... learn how to recognize and counter the most common RPOs and shut them down.  They almost never have anything else to turn to.

Pretty great summary of the state of the game right now. The most annoying opponent I faced in a long while was spamming the Speed Option jump-pitch over and over and simply changing up which side of the field he ran it to.

And I really struggled to stop it. Ended up losing by ~10 or something devastating. What a crushing defeat. I guess that's a good sign it's been fairly rare, but faced a ton of cheese between Harvest & Blitz House Rules. What really grinds my gears most is when these awful players feel compelled to get on the mic and tell you how awesome they are. Gives me rage disorder, heh. So satisfying to come back from behind victories. Unless I'm really getting beat down, I try not to quit. If I'm losing bad, that means I need practice against a specific scheme. Perhaps I'm a glutton for punishment, but momentum can turn quickly, especially if you figure out a one-dimensional foe. YMMV. 

However, EA definitely feeds into this awful behavior, there's real money on the line, so people will do whatever it takes. Which made it all that more refreshing last year once I found this community of folks who are passionate about and take fatball simulation seriously. There's so much potential here, we've all played really good football games, but sadly all the worst aspects of the game are constantly prioritized.

I appreciate each and every one of you who have helped teach me something about MUT. Many, many layers of this great franchise. I know I'm being a degenerate running streaks with 99 OVR John Madden at TE1, please forgive me football gods. I just couldn't help myself. 🏆

Being dirty with Coach Madden running streaks for two days isn't THAT toxic hahaha.

peatrick said:

Pretty great summary of the state of the game right now. The most annoying opponent I faced in a long while was spamming the Speed Option jump-pitch over and over and simply changing up which side of the field he ran it to.

And I really struggled to stop it. Ended up losing by ~10 or something devastating. What a crushing defeat. I guess that's a good sign it's been fairly rare, but faced a ton of cheese between Harvest & Blitz House Rules. What really grinds my gears most is when these awful players feel compelled to get on the mic and tell you how awesome they are. Gives me rage disorder, heh. So satisfying to come back from behind victories. Unless I'm really getting beat down, I try not to quit. If I'm losing bad, that means I need practice against a specific scheme. Perhaps I'm a glutton for punishment, but momentum can turn quickly, especially if you figure out a one-dimensional foe. YMMV. 

However, EA definitely feeds into this awful behavior, there's real money on the line, so people will do whatever it takes. Which made it all that more refreshing last year once I found this community of folks who are passionate about and take fatball simulation seriously. There's so much potential here, we've all played really good football games, but sadly all the worst aspects of the game are constantly prioritized.

I appreciate each and every one of you who have helped teach me something about MUT. Many, many layers of this great franchise. I know I'm being a degenerate running streaks with 99 OVR John Madden at TE1, please forgive me football gods. I just couldn't help myself. 🏆

Well said.

colbyzg said:

Being dirty with Coach Madden running streaks for two days isn't THAT toxic hahaha.

I felt it was kind of borderline. I made sure to finish every single game with at least a "GG" to my opponents over voice chat.

I'd say maybe 1 in 10 people strike up a casual conversation, it's always a nice surprise. Good times.

peatrick said:

I felt it was kind of borderline. I made sure to finish every single game with at least a "GG" to my opponents over voice chat.

I'd say maybe 1 in 10 people strike up a casual conversation, it's always a nice surprise. Good times.

That’s nice of you. I turn off messages and never plug my headset in. This community can be awful.

KingHarambeReturns said:

Sounds like a skill issue to me

This is really the best thing you could post? Loser, lol.

colbyzg said:

That’s nice of you. I turn off messages and never plug my headset in. This community can be awful.

I do the same as you